West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

We also had 19 points from 23 games in 13/14 under Allardyce. Finished in 14th.

We also only had 24 points from the first 27 games in the season Moyes took over from Pellegrini. Mind you, the lockdown was probably our saviour that year and I doubt there's another of those on the cards.

[onsideman]

Why are we so shit then? Why have we only got 20 points? Why can't we keep a clean sheet? Why can't we beat Fulham at home? Why did Wolves muller us 3-0?
 

We're no more shit than we were in 2002/03, 2006/07 and, as we now know, 2022/23 too.

Thats a statistical fact

Why were we mullered 3-0 by a shit Sheffield United in mid-April 2007?

[stubbo-admin]

Pretty sure we were in the same boat points wise in the 22/23 season, and ended up with 40 points.

Will 40 be enough? Who knows, but we lead in enough games that it's possible.

Just checked. 18th with 20 points from 23 games.

So we were in the exact same boat a few seasons back. Hang in there lads.

[Eerie Decent]

Why are we so shit then? Why have we only got 20 points? Why can't we keep a clean sheet? Why can't we beat Fulham at home? Why did Wolves muller us 3-0?

Still, always good to be optimistic. Let's hope history from 20 years ago repeats itself. Hopefully they start selling £3 pints at the stadium, really take us back in time.

[stubbo-admin]

Pretty sure we were in the same boat points wise in the 22/23 season, and ended up with 40 points.

Will 40 be enough? Who knows, but we lead in enough games that it's possible.

[onsideman]

While every season is different from another there are still 20 teams who play each other with 3 points at stake. Teams can still go on dreadful runs. I doubt most fans expect West Ham to get out the current fix but it’s only natural to hope they can or what’s the point. 

If the West Ham squad in 2006/7 was so great how come they had only 20 points after 29 games? At that point we were 10 points from safety. If there was a difference, it’s that more teams were involved in the relegation scrap. Fulham, for example, only got 11 points from their last 15 games and may well have been relegated in place of Sheffield United had Liverpool not fielded a weakened side before a European game. 

We were dead lucky at Blackburn. But those games can still happen today.

Absolutely. Of course they can

If it's so different,  why are Wolves rivalling worst ever seasons, why were Soton so shit last year. Everything is relative. If everyone has £30m players then the playing field remains as level as it ever was. 

I was at Brammall Lane for that 3-0 loss in 2007 and there wasn't a person in the stadium - at either end - who thought we weren't relegated... and Tevez was dreadful that day.  

If everything was predictable, we'd all be gambling millionaires 

[John Drake]

While every season is different from another there are still 20 teams who play each other with 3 points at stake. Teams can still go on dreadful runs. I doubt most fans expect West Ham to get out the current fix but it’s only natural to hope they can or what’s the point. 

If the West Ham squad in 2006/7 was so great how come they had only 20 points after 29 games? At that point we were 10 points from safety. If there was a difference, it’s that more teams were involved in the relegation scrap. Fulham, for example, only got 11 points from their last 15 games and may well have been relegated in place of Sheffield United had Liverpool not fielded a weakened side before a European game. 

We were dead lucky at Blackburn. But those games can still happen today.

[Westham67]

Nothing wrong with optimism

[Massive Attack]

I'm not even judging it compared to this season, I was just curious to see how they panned out. Our Team was definitely better back then and we are right up against it this season to survive now. I hold out a bit of hope still but it does look bleak.

[Eerie Decent]

It was a very different league back then, nearly 20 years ago, it's completely changed. Every team has structures and systems, and £30mil+ signings. We are not going on 10 game winnings runs ffs

Plus we had England's goalkeeper between the sticks, Ginge at the back, Yossi in the team, Zamora was bang in form, and had what is probably the best striker that has played for the club since Geoff Hurst, Tevez, who ended up going and winning multiple trophies. Also there was a proper British spine to the squad.

We've now got a ropey back 4 and Taty & Pablo up front.

Plus we had major luck on our side, Blackburn away was the luckiest win a team will ever have, we have the opposite this season. And it was Sheffield United we were chasing, with their team of Championship and below standard players, Palace have still got a squad full of internationals, as do Forest, and Leeds look electric going forward every game I've watched them.

Judging this season against back then is pointless. It can be done, but let's not kid ourselves that the situation as a whole is similar. And for the record, we are closer in points to Burnley than we are Leeds.

[Massive Attack]

Weirdly in 2006/07 a Team could survive with 4 less points than the 42 points we actually went down with because of that useless cսnt Brooking.

[Massive Attack]

Cheers. Interesting, not too dissimilar those 2 times but with totally different outcomes. 

[onsideman]

17 points at this stage
25 points from the last 15
Better squad than this one though by some distance
 

[Massive Attack]

What was the exact numbers of the year we went down on record 42 points out of interest?

[onsideman]

We had 19 points at this stage in 2006/07. We then got 22 points from our last 15 games, and while everyone points at 7 wins and 2 defeats in our last 9 games, from this stage of the season we actually lost 5 and drew 1 of the next 6
 

[El Scorchio]

Oh it's definitely a long shot and I think I wouldn't even be entertaining it, if it were not for the Glasner situation plus losing a load of their best players in quite short time likely blowing the club morale to pieces.

[Eerie Decent]

Palace need 10 points from 15 games, realistically. That would leave us needing 19 points from 15 games, and we still have to play Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal & Villa.

I love the spirit, but it's not happening. We've had 2 genuine good halfs of football in our last 8 games, I'm really not sure where the confidence is coming from.

[El Scorchio]

Yeah, looking at Palace and Leeds mainly. Forest have a fairly easy fixture list and clearly more quality in their squad than Leeds or probably Palace now. Them buying Mateta could be quite useful for us.

Leeds could go through Feb gaining zero points. We could end that month only a point or two behind them.

Palace's big moment comes when they play Burnley and Wolves one after the other at home. If they fail to win those which is slim but you never know given all the turnmoil then you struggle to see where points will come from for them. I'm hoping they don't sack Glasner TBH.

I'd love spurs to get dragged into it but I just can't see it. Again like Glasner the longer Frank stays it's helpful for everyone else around them but surely they'll sack him in the next few weeks.

[Massive Attack]

Yep, not a chance they'd go down.

[Eerie Decent]

Sunderland are on 33 points. 7 points from their next 15 games leaves them on 40 points, that's a mountain to climb for us. No chance they get sacked into anything.

[Manuel]

You can't keep losing ''six pointers'' and ''must win'' games and still keep trying to make a case, it's just a bit naive and a bit simple really. But you have to keep believing to an extent 'coz that's what football fans are meant to do, so fwiw (and others will disagree) IMO Leeds are the ones we might have some chance of overhauling, yes they have great home form but that may not always be the case. They have Forest next Friday, that aside they have a very tough run of games, if they lose or draw to Forest and IF we beat Burnley we won't be far off them factoring in we have them at home still. All if's and maybe's.

[Dick Shaftsbury]

After the next four games the lie of the land could be very different. 

Palace could be dragged right into it. And Spurs could be within spitting distance. 

[Tomshardware]

We have to hope that another team gets dragged into it. There's often a promoted team who start off really well and then results tail off and then get sucked into relegation fight.  While Sunderlands results before Saturday suggest they will be ok its not impossible they could continue on a really bad run.   

[Eerie Decent]

We definitely do need a football miracle.

As Manners said, the 4 games starting with Fucking Fulham done for us. Would love to be positive, but it's so hard to make up the points, the swings in points difference with a couple of bad results is monumental at this stage. I can't see us having more good weekends than bad, despite the last 2 good performances. 

Forest will beat Palace, Palace will eventually get it together, and Leeds have their home form, which we can't compete with. I've accepted the inevitable. 

[onsideman]

It's entirely possible that one of the teams above us will go on to do the same 
Better to do it in Dec/Jan than in March/April
We don't need a miracle.

Yet!