West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[cup of tea]

So it's Brighton next at the shithole.

I know most of us are resigned to our fate already but say we get thumped at home again, what's the next step for the fans, the manager and the cսnt who owns us? Simply "we must do better" rhetoric or will it start to turn nastier like the Burnley game.

I fear another loss and general apathy, trudge away from the shithole and welcome 2026 being 9+ points from safety

[El Scorchio]

Not going for DCL looking like a massive error now. 

[cup of tea]

Here are the current Premier League relegation odds:-

*Wolves*: 1/250 (99.6% implied probability) - they're currently bottom of the table with just 2 points-

*Burnley*: 1/20 (95.2% implied probability) - struggling with 11 points-

*West Ham*: 8/13 (61.5% implied probability) - currently in the relegation zone-

*Leeds*: 9/2 (18.2% implied probability)-

*Nottingham Forest*: 5/1 (16.7% implied probability)  

[Keep dreaming]

Keep dreaming , if that cսnt kilman is 40 and we paid similar for fernandez, bowen would be 50 easy 

Mad dog, I meant 50 was to low

[Massive Attack]

There seems to be.a yearning amongst some to write this season off already, cash in on our assets in January and start again afresh with a young team in the championship.

I find this not only defeatest but also extremely naive on many fronts.

Playing championship football at Upton park was one thing but we now have a 63k arena that is souless and bereft of atmosphere at the best of times and that is in the premier league.

What kind of average crowd would we expect to get in the second tier should we not hit the ground running?

Stoke or Sunderland on a Tuesday night you are probably looking at a third of the capacity with upper tiers closed.
Opposition teems will enjoy playing us with likely larger than normal away allocations to boost the figures and the sparse home support hardly raising an audible murmur.from the other side of the running track.

There is no chance of creating an intimidating atmosphere or raucous twelfth man type support as the design of the ground just doesn't allow for it and most of the old school vociferous fans have given up the ghost already.

If we go down we will become the team everyone fancies playing against at home and a novelty for visiting fans singing "you sold your soul"

We will struggle to sell on our dead wood such as Kilman 
and attract interest for the decent young players we wish to keep.

The souless and toxic atmosphere will also deter many players from signing for us.

If we go down we will stay down and possibly drop further.

We need to be getting behind the team in the next month regardless of the issues that exist and hoping we.czn string some results together to give ourselves a fighting chance.

As fans we have also become (perhaps understandably to some extent) apathetic.

How many sing chant and watch the whole 90 ?

A lot of disinterest, chat amongst ourselves and people checking their phones to see how their accumulators are doing.

We concede and people are heading to the bar or if second half for the exits 

We moan about the atmosphere and the tourists around us and yes we pay our money and take our choice of what we do of course and there are still enough who care  to raise a decent protest against the owners but overall do the majority really put a shift in at home ?

I will still turn up on a wet Tuesday night in the championship  but how many of those relative newbies who love telling everyone of their exploits on that summer night in Prague will be ?

Resilience hope and a sense of humour are and always have been the prerequisites required to be a West ham fan and all three are certainly needed right now.

We are not dead and buried yet 
 












I

Agreed, plenty of games left and we are losing by the odd goal not getting thrashed like under Potter.  

Respect the 1-0 loss.

[Mad Dog]

Keep dreaming , if that cսnt kilman is 40 and we paid similar for fernandez, bowen would be 50 easy 

[stubbo-admin]

Without additional signings except Traore who seems pretty nailed on (and assuming the standard 50% relegation clause which IS typically baked into our contracts), a 'starting point' Championship squad could easily be:

GK:Areola, Hermansen, Herrick
RB: KWP, Battrum
LB: Myers, Scarles
CB: Kilman, Mavropanos, Casey, Golambeckis
CDM: Potts, Magassa, Orford, JWP
ACM: Soucek, Kante, Fearon
FW: Summerville, Earthy, Guilherme, Traore
ST: Marshall, Ajala, Cummings

It's not too far from a squad I'd be open to watching.

At the same time, we could expect to get:

Paqueta: 30m
Fernandes: 50m
Todibo: 20m
Bowen: 50m
Fullkrug: 5m
Alvarez: 10m
AWB: 15m
Diouf: 25m
~£200m in Sales.

Plus ship out Irving, Rodriguez and Wilson on a free.

If with that, we were to go get someone like Carrick through the door as manager, a young hungry squad with a huge academy influence, and a few 'proper' seasoned pro's like Soucek, JWP, KWP, and Kilman to support with worthwhile experience, I could see following that side being a more enjoyable experience than the last few have been.

Add on top a few sensible additions:

Charlie Cresswell (20m), Hayden Hackney (15m), Joe Gelhardt (10m) and Žan Vipotnik (10m)...and youd have a youthful side that could have a real go.


 

Bowen 50m....
Come on,

Gotta Keep Dreaming, son.

[Keep dreaming]

Without additional signings except Traore who seems pretty nailed on (and assuming the standard 50% relegation clause which IS typically baked into our contracts), a 'starting point' Championship squad could easily be:

GK:Areola, Hermansen, Herrick
RB: KWP, Battrum
LB: Myers, Scarles
CB: Kilman, Mavropanos, Casey, Golambeckis
CDM: Potts, Magassa, Orford, JWP
ACM: Soucek, Kante, Fearon
FW: Summerville, Earthy, Guilherme, Traore
ST: Marshall, Ajala, Cummings

It's not too far from a squad I'd be open to watching.

At the same time, we could expect to get:

Paqueta: 30m
Fernandes: 50m
Todibo: 20m
Bowen: 50m
Fullkrug: 5m
Alvarez: 10m
AWB: 15m
Diouf: 25m
~£200m in Sales.

Plus ship out Irving, Rodriguez and Wilson on a free.

If with that, we were to go get someone like Carrick through the door as manager, a young hungry squad with a huge academy influence, and a few 'proper' seasoned pro's like Soucek, JWP, KWP, and Kilman to support with worthwhile experience, I could see following that side being a more enjoyable experience than the last few have been.

Add on top a few sensible additions:

Charlie Cresswell (20m), Hayden Hackney (15m), Joe Gelhardt (10m) and Žan Vipotnik (10m)...and youd have a youthful side that could have a real go.

 

Bowen 50m....
Come on,

[cup of tea]

I watched a bit of the Sunderland v Leeds game earlier. Sunderland will be fine, half decent team and a progressive manager. Leeds will also be OK as they are playing OK football and have a striker in Calvert Lewis who is scoring (we didn't want him because he was shit according to some)

Wolves have gone
Burnley are also likely to go
Final place is us/Forest and I would rather have Forest' squad right now 

We'll lose the next few and also get done in the FA Cup and be 7-10 points off safety come mid January.

Lincoln and Stevenage await!

[Beef&Tomato]

There seems to be.a yearning amongst some to write this season off already, cash in on our assets in January and start again afresh with a young team in the championship.

I find this not only defeatest but also extremely naive on many fronts.

Playing championship football at Upton park was one thing but we now have a 63k arena that is souless and bereft of atmosphere at the best of times and that is in the premier league.

What kind of average crowd would we expect to get in the second tier should we not hit the ground running?

Stoke or Sunderland on a Tuesday night you are probably looking at a third of the capacity with upper tiers closed.
Opposition teems will enjoy playing us with likely larger than normal away allocations to boost the figures and the sparse home support hardly raising an audible murmur.from the other side of the running track.

There is no chance of creating an intimidating atmosphere or raucous twelfth man type support as the design of the ground just doesn't allow for it and most of the old school vociferous fans have given up the ghost already.

If we go down we will become the team everyone fancies playing against at home and a novelty for visiting fans singing "you sold your soul"

We will struggle to sell on our dead wood such as Kilman 
and attract interest for the decent young players we wish to keep.

The souless and toxic atmosphere will also deter many players from signing for us.

If we go down we will stay down and possibly drop further.

We need to be getting behind the team in the next month regardless of the issues that exist and hoping we.czn string some results together to give ourselves a fighting chance.

As fans we have also become (perhaps understandably to some extent) apathetic.

How many sing chant and watch the whole 90 ?

A lot of disinterest, chat amongst ourselves and people checking their phones to see how their accumulators are doing.

We concede and people are heading to the bar or if second half for the exits 

We moan about the atmosphere and the tourists around us and yes we pay our money and take our choice of what we do of course and there are still enough who care  to raise a decent protest against the owners but overall do the majority really put a shift in at home ?

I will still turn up on a wet Tuesday night in the championship  but how many of those relative newbies who love telling everyone of their exploits on that summer night in Prague will be ?

Resilience hope and a sense of humour are and always have been the prerequisites required to be a West ham fan and all three are certainly needed right now.

We are not dead and buried yet 
 












I

Agreed, plenty of games left and we are losing by the odd goal not getting thrashed like under Potter.  

[El Scorchio]

Thanks Sullivan. 

[Takashi Miike]

yearning for it? I haven't stopped moaning/whining for the past four seasons saying this brand of defeatist, negative shit football isn't sustainable and we'd eventually get found out. this is the season. it doesn't make me happy, especially now the midget cսnt is letting everyone know he's run up the debt levels yet again which means very little spending, and the cashing in of what talent we have left. you couldn't run a club worse than they have. the only visible assets I see, are the poor cunts that still trudge over to that shithole every other week. you couldn't pay me to set foot in there

[stubbo-admin]

Without additional signings except Traore who seems pretty nailed on (and assuming the standard 50% relegation clause which IS typically baked into our contracts), a 'starting point' Championship squad could easily be:

GK:Areola, Hermansen, Herrick
RB: KWP, Battrum
LB: Myers, Scarles
CB: Kilman, Mavropanos, Casey, Golambeckis
CDM: Potts, Magassa, Orford, JWP
ACM: Soucek, Kante, Fearon
FW: Summerville, Earthy, Guilherme, Traore
ST: Marshall, Ajala, Cummings

It's not too far from a squad I'd be open to watching.

At the same time, we could expect to get:

Paqueta: 30m
Fernandes: 50m
Todibo: 20m
Bowen: 50m
Fullkrug: 5m
Alvarez: 10m
AWB: 15m
Diouf: 25m
~£200m in Sales.

Plus ship out Irving, Rodriguez and Wilson on a free.

If with that, we were to go get someone like Carrick through the door as manager, a young hungry squad with a huge academy influence, and a few 'proper' seasoned pro's like Soucek, JWP, KWP, and Kilman to support with worthwhile experience, I could see following that side being a more enjoyable experience than the last few have been.

Add on top a few sensible additions:

Charlie Cresswell (20m), Hayden Hackney (15m), Joe Gelhardt (10m) and Žan Vipotnik (10m)...and youd have a youthful side that could have a real go.
 

[Eerie Decent]

I don't think people are yearning for it Gazza, more resigned to it.

It will be a fucking disaster us going down, but the manager is not trying to win games. We are not going to draw our way out of this mess, I was holding out hope until yesterday, but to not start that game in particular trying to win it, fucking Fulham at home, I think the reality of it has properly kicked in for most now.

Apart from threesixty, who's as chipper as a market trader at Christmas, and ain't worried about us not picking up points. Who needs points, eh?

[Gary Strodders shank]

There seems to be.a yearning amongst some to write this season off already, cash in on our assets in January and start again afresh with a young team in the championship.

I find this not only defeatest but also extremely naive on many fronts.

Playing championship football at Upton park was one thing but we now have a 63k arena that is souless and bereft of atmosphere at the best of times and that is in the premier league.

What kind of average crowd would we expect to get in the second tier should we not hit the ground running?

Stoke or Sunderland on a Tuesday night you are probably looking at a third of the capacity with upper tiers closed.
Opposition teems will enjoy playing us with likely larger than normal away allocations to boost the figures and the sparse home support hardly raising an audible murmur.from the other side of the running track.

There is no chance of creating an intimidating atmosphere or raucous twelfth man type support as the design of the ground just doesn't allow for it and most of the old school vociferous fans have given up the ghost already.

If we go down we will become the team everyone fancies playing against at home and a novelty for visiting fans singing "you sold your soul"

We will struggle to sell on our dead wood such as Kilman 
and attract interest for the decent young players we wish to keep.

The souless and toxic atmosphere will also deter many players from signing for us.

If we go down we will stay down and possibly drop further.

We need to be getting behind the team in the next month regardless of the issues that exist and hoping we.czn string some results together to give ourselves a fighting chance.

As fans we have also become (perhaps understandably to some extent) apathetic.

How many sing chant and watch the whole 90 ?

A lot of disinterest, chat amongst ourselves and people checking their phones to see how their accumulators are doing.

We concede and people are heading to the bar or if second half for the exits 

We moan about the atmosphere and the tourists around us and yes we pay our money and take our choice of what we do of course and there are still enough who care  to raise a decent protest against the owners but overall do the majority really put a shift in at home ?

I will still turn up on a wet Tuesday night in the championship  but how many of those relative newbies who love telling everyone of their exploits on that summer night in Prague will be ?

Resilience hope and a sense of humour are and always have been the prerequisites required to be a West ham fan and all three are certainly needed right now.

We are not dead and buried yet 
 












I

[Tomshardware]

As many have said on here this is about years and years of shambolic aimless decision making.  Plugging holes and making do.  How long was Antonio our main centre forward?  A right winger converted because countless centre forwards we signed were either not good enough or not suited, or not wanted by the manager.

Eventually you will run out of luck and here we are staring down the barrel.

[goose]

Ive no idea it’s true but just feel Sullivan will find a way to protect himself from losses in his shareholder value. 

The most valuable asset the CLUB has is premier league membership. That goes the day we’re relegated.

Every sales after that is an attempt to manage the operating of the business to reflect the reduction in income.

Sullivan doesn’t see a penny of any of this, it’s the clubs money.

[goose]

I heard we are posting s 100 million loss in Jan?

Possibly, possibly not because of the sale of the women’s team.

making a loss of £100m doesn’t mean we owe someone £100m. Its retrospective, its happened already.

[Sir Alf]

Ive no idea its true but just feel Sullivan will find a way to protect himself from losses in his shareholder value. 

[Sir Alf]

I heard we are posting s 100 million loss in Jan?

[goose]

That makes zero sense sorry.
pay off £100m hole in the accounts? to who exactly?
what "shareholder gains" (not sure what that even means) is he getting back?

step #1 you need to understand the separation of Sullivan and the "the club".

[Sir Alf]

Very true Goose but you get the drift. Sullivans priority is gettimg his shareholder gains back afyer they take a hit with relegation.  My point is he will still have no plan for the football club and will pay off the 100 million hole in the accounts first,  finance everything for players through loans after selling Bowen, Paqueta, Magassa, Fernandes, AwB, Diouf, etc for £150 million plus

[goose]

Let it go lads. We aint catching anyone. We’re gone already. It will take a long while for Nuno and then Sullivan to accept but the sooner the planning starts gor the championship the better. Oh no thats more than a few months away, far too long term. Build a team around Magassa, Fernandes, Potts, Earthy, and a couple of other U21s if possible.  But we wont, Sullivsn will sell anything and rverythimg he can. His shareholding vslue may be halved perhaps equating to over 100 million. Other shareholders like  Kretinski and Golds also see their share values in the toilet. The millions from player sales transferred via accountants into the personal wealth of the owners before we then start borrowing from owners with interest to start the next transfer window. Agents, old, slow players or loans and same old process.  Years in championship and even league 1 beckon

Alf you don’t understand accounting son.

[Sir Alf]

Let it go lads. We aint catching anyone. We’re gone already. It will take a long while for Nuno and then Sullivan to accept but the sooner the planning starts gor the championship the better. Oh no thats more than a few months away, far too long term. Build a team around Magassa, Fernandes, Potts, Earthy, and a couple of other U21s if possible.  But we wont, Sullivsn will sell anything and rverythimg he can. His shareholding vslue may be halved perhaps equating to over 100 million. Other shareholders like  Kretinski and Golds also see their share values in the toilet. The millions from player sales transferred via accountants into the personal wealth of the owners before we then start borrowing from owners with interest to start the next transfer window. Agents, old, slow players or loans and same old process.  Years in championship and even league 1 beckon

[onsideman]

Leeds equalise with a stunning goal