West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[southbankbornnbred]

Too much to say.

Relegation is never the end of us. We’ve experienced it before - several times - and come back stronger. The  question this time is how do you achieve that with near-Octogenarian megalomaniac fuckwit Sullivan in charge on his own?

This squad is one of the worst, most disjointed, over-rated and couldn’t-care-less group of mercenaries we’ve ever had. Too many of them are here purely for the money. We’ve gradually allowed ourselves to sign poor quality hired guns, rather than people who are - or want to be - part of the fabric of this club. They won’t even blink on their way out of the door after relegation, they’ll just move on to the next set of mugs stupid enough to pay them silly money for their limited talent.

Too many of this lot are Championship quality players milking Premier League money out of a clueless ownership.

With a few notable exceptions, nobody really cares. That’s one of many issues.

Bad mistake though it was, it was actually not discouraging to see Ollie Scarles crying after the game, because at least one member of that squad actually gives a shit.



 

[Trilby55]

I was in the pub yesterday with the Sky channel on that covers the results . They showed Bowen trudging off at half time . I honestly thought we would get a positive result out of this . When I saw his demeanour I changed my mind .He looked a defeated man void of ideas and confidence .

[wils]

There is also a possibility of dropping further into league 1. Its not beyond reality that it could happen. Its happened to clubs just as big as us before like Leeds, Sheff W, Forest, even Man C

That's what I was referring to with "Or continue into oblivion"

 

[cup of tea]

Bar some unexpected dramatic turn of events, we are down.

So question is what happens to us then. Bounce back up? Extended run in the championship? Or continue into oblivion with club sinking into bankruptcy?

If Sullivan stays, I suspect it latter is most likely. If he moves on and we move out that stadium then an extended run in the championship is possible. Can't see a scenario where we bounce back up.

There is also a possibility of dropping further into league 1. Its not beyond reality that it could happen. Its happened to clubs just as big as us before like Leeds, Sheff W, Forest, even Man C

[wils]

Bar some unexpected dramatic turn of events, we are down.

So question is what happens to us then. Bounce back up? Extended run in the championship? Or continue into oblivion with club sinking into bankruptcy?

If Sullivan stays, I suspect it latter is most likely. If he moves on and we move out that stadium then an extended run in the championship is possible. Can't see a scenario where we bounce back up.

[Texas Iron]

I hear a Fat Lady singing rather loudly

Oh for someone from the middle east to save us but that wont happen as Sullivan will overprice the shares in a desperate attempt to keep his profit in West Ham intact. We are stuck with Family Sullivan forever it seems 

Sullivan has about 38% ownership…

Jointly the others could vote him out…Kretinsky and Gold family…

[Texas Iron]

Moyes…

Lopetegui…

Potter…

Nuno Espírito Santo…

All within a few months…

Surely a Record of Managerial incompetence…

Sullivan and Brady have ruined this club…

R. I. P.

[Sir Alf]

I hear a Fat Lady singing rather loudly

Oh for someone from the middle east to save us but that wont happen as Sullivan will overprice the shares in a desperate attempt to keep his profit in West Ham intact. We are stuck with Family Sullivan forever it seems 

[cup of tea]

Au Revoir

(Lincoln City enters chat)

[muskie]

Goodnight.

[twoleftfeet]

Gone.

[Sir Alf]

It certainly feels that way Dreaming.  Fragile, brittle sums us up.  But also only having about 7 or 8 players who consistently meet the levels required in the PL and ultimately a very poor squad that had a lot of money wasted on it. Its not improved materially despite the money spent so for me the overriding issue has been disasterous recruitment. Not enough younger, faster, more athletic and physical players has been our downfall. Magassa, Fernandes, Diouf and to a lesser extent Summerville were the profile of player we shoukd have been recruiting 5 years ago.  4 managers have failed to revive our fortunes since 2022 ( conference win masked the league form for a bit ). A fifth wont imo and we just have to hope Sullivan at least listens to Max Hahn or even sees himself that investing in youth and using analysis of player stats has to be continued ( assuming that was the driver for recruiting the aforementioned younger players) . It has a much better chance of reviving our fortunes albeit longer term.   

Championship football will be ok except it means goimg to games more as most games wont be televised. 

The best thing to happen is Sullivan selling up if, as looks likely currently, we get relegated or failing that he steps down from day to day involvement but I suspect he will increase his “dead mans grip” on the club as he just wont be able to accept the huge loss in the value of his asset / shares.  The fan unrest and protests will continue as they should and we will likely spend a longer time than most expect out of the top flight. 

[Keep dreaming]

We will win tomorrow and begin our climb up the league.  

Even with a win we won't climb anywhere.

I'm afraid we will lose this one too. Fragile players, shaky defence, naive Paqueta, no striker and poor management. Festive season indeed!

[Texas Iron]

Lose to Fulham…

W’ere DONE…

 

[mariano]

Hard to argue with any of this. Same mistakes, same chaos, different season. Unless something drastic changes fast, this feels less like panic and more like realism. xalaflix eu   facebim com  miwav  miwav miwav.com miwav.com

[Beef&Tomato]

We will win tomorrow and begin our climb up the league.  

[F 129 Row66]

Personally I believe us to be fucked. I am still optimistc for each game, and think maybe a change in our fortunes may see us through. Not really that optimistic for some kind of improvement but you never know.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Look on the good side, yeah we go down but no VA fucking R

[fraser]

I think we are going down with our goal difference; it's 6 points from safety 

To be fair if we win two and the other teams lose two that erases the goal difference. I don't expect us to.. But.. 

[Westham67]

I think we are going down with our goal difference; it's 6 points from safety 

[Massive Attack]

I find myself thinking that everything's kind of normal.

Lose to Man City and Liverpool? Don't we always?
Both teams to score, one goal in it v Villa? Yep.
Draws with Brighton and Bournemouth? Well yeah...

So, Fulham next....we mostly beat them, even when we are crap.
Brighton home .... almost always a draw
Wolves and Forest.... we usually win at least one
Spurs away.... wouldn't be the greatest upset if we did 'em...

I agree, we played ok v Villa and were unlikely to get anything v man city. 

What's not normal, and what I think has sent everyone in a meltdown is there's now a 5 point gap. I think we have to beat forest and wolves, not just one.

And just as importantly our approach to games and how the in-game management has been handled by Nuno. He has helped create that gap that wasn't there before he rocked up.

Now the Club has decided to stick with him when we have a week till the next fixture so it's now highly unlikely they'll ditch him should it get worse until the Forest Home game due to the close concentration of fixtures arriving in quick succession. They're all must win games now for Nuno instantly and let's hope he works better under intense pressure to get instant wins beginning with Fulham. No more room for manoeuvre. Make sure to take cover though should it blow up in spectacular fashion as it won't be pretty for Sullivan and Brady if he cannot manage it.

[honky cat]

I find myself thinking that everything's kind of normal.

Lose to Man City and Liverpool? Don't we always?
Both teams to score, one goal in it v Villa? Yep.
Draws with Brighton and Bournemouth? Well yeah...

So, Fulham next....we mostly beat them, even when we are crap.
Brighton home .... almost always a draw
Wolves and Forest.... we usually win at least one
Spurs away.... wouldn't be the greatest upset if we did 'em...

I agree, we played ok v Villa and were unlikely to get anything v man city. 

What's not normal, and what I think has sent everyone in a meltdown is there's now a 5 point gap. I think we have to beat forest and wolves, not just one.

[Sir Alf]

I will be pleasantly surprised if we survive. I just dont see a squad of real scrappers who will work themselves nto the ground everyday, lay their bodies on the line. We will need imho 2 strikers not one and they have to be good finishers or at of on of them. We also need a strong, athletic and aggressive leader at CB. I also think we need another centre midfielder with legs who can cover the ground because we will get injuries and only have players like Soucek, Guido and Irvine to come in ( I would prefer Earthy, Kante and Fearon but managers always seem to go for past reputation / experience ignoring the fact they are just too slow for todays PL). 

Im mentally prepared for the Championship now and only interested in the future, recruiting younger players, promoting more U21s and seeing the back of the mercenaries

[boleyn8420]

The biggest problem is that the manager only knows how to set up to not lose football matches and not with the mindset of setting up from the start to win matches. If we drew every match until the end of the season, which we won't as he loses before a ball is kicked against the so called big teams, we would only have 32 points, relegated. Also, everyone banging on about the transfer window, why? The latest rumour is Strand Larsen from fucking Wolves, the team with 2 points, 9 goals in total of which he has scores err 1. Yep, that would really be a major coup wouldn't it. We need laughably 9 wins, almost a 50% win ratio from the remaining games, not very likely is it.

[Rossal]

Next 5 games decide if we stay up or not.  Not writing us off yet but feels like we would need to double our wins tally for the season next 5 games which seems hopeful. 

Got to beat Wolves and Forest.  Lots of games coming up with a small squad. 

Nuno rotation and subs will probably mean Wolves away Irving and Rodriguez will start .Forest at home Hermadsen will be right back. 

We can hope, but for me after Spurs away we'll know if we're down for defo.