West Ham vs Bournemouth | PL | 21.2.26 | Predictions & Match Thread

[Mad Ferret]

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Not sure I'd bring Todibo straight back in.

.........................Hermanson

AWB.....Mavropanos.....Disasi.....Diouf

Bowen.....Fernandes.....Soucek.....Summerville

..........................Taty Costalot

..............................Wilson

[eusebiovic]

Without wanting to get all COYI, but I said in the summer that Kilman would be the biggest problem we have in the entire squad, for a variety of reasons, and that Mav will be our best defender.

Doesn't seem like the most controversial shout now, but barely anyone agreed at the time.

In all fairness, Mav WAS our best performing defender at the time. I think I agreed with you but cannot remember. Kilman has just been a useless lump from almost day one and Potter was completely unable to get any sort of a tune out of Todibo. You could go either way but I think Todibo is a better player than Mav, but completely understand why someone would say the other way as Mav has really cut down the rickets he used to make. With Disasi we are in a much better position now with three centre backs I actually trust in the squad. Shame on Sullivan for doing fuck all about the problem in the summer and palming off Igor only onto the manager at that time.

Scorchio 

I think the reason Mav has improved is because he isn't being isolated and left as the last defender chasing back anymore. He is definitely a front facing defender who performs better clearing whatever is ahead of him.

Also the lines are a lot tighter than they were meaning that it's much more difficult to get a run on someone forcing a foul from lunging in desperation to cut them down. 

Alvarez suffered from this problem too - facing what he can see in front of him he was highly effective and looked like a decent player but the lines were so far apart due to the overall lack of pace in the team when he was chasing back he looked like a liability.

To be fair to him I think he knew this and got the hump at whoever the manager was for their inability to change this and ultimately his teammates. At international level Mexico are usually as tight as a gnats chuff and he is captain and plays very well most of the time.

It's the old chestnut though ain't it? You've got to recruit players that compliment each other and not keep randomly recruiting strangers on a pissing into the wind basis. The club needs to do all the scouting and homework itself instead of letting an agent pull their pants down.

[onsideman]

Nah, you're the one who said "the team almost picks itself..:

[Come On You Irons]

As someone who repeatedly bemoans the manager's negativity, you're advocating replacing a midfielder (who originally replaced a forward) with a defender ? Interesting.

No I am not advocating it. I just think he will obviously select this team from the available personnel.

In that case it would have been less confusing if you'd said "for Nuno" rather than "for me"

I did state that Nuno will select the formation and personnel. It's not my problem if you're too thick to understand that.

[onsideman]

For me the team almost picks itself. Nuno will play a 3-4-3/ 5-2-3 formation with the following personnel:

Hermansen 

Wan-Bisaka
Todibo
Disasi
Mavrapanos
Diouf

Fernandes
Soucek

Bowen
Castellanos
Summerville

The bench will most likely be thus:

Areola
Walker-Peters
Scarles
Kilman
Mayers
Magassa
Kante
Orford
Wilson

Not much of a bench, is it.



 

As someone who repeatedly bemoans the manager's negativity, you're advocating replacing a midfielder (who originally replaced a forward) with a defender ? Interesting.

No I am not advocating it. I just think he will obviously select this team from the available personnel.

In that case it would have been less confusing if you'd said "for Nuno" rather than "for me"

[Come On You Irons]

For me the team almost picks itself. Nuno will play a 3-4-3/ 5-2-3 formation with the following personnel:

Hermansen 

Wan-Bisaka
Todibo
Disasi
Mavrapanos
Diouf

Fernandes
Soucek

Bowen
Castellanos
Summerville

The bench will most likely be thus:

Areola
Walker-Peters
Scarles
Kilman
Mayers
Magassa
Kante
Orford
Wilson

Not much of a bench, is it.


 

As someone who repeatedly bemoans the manager's negativity, you're advocating replacing a midfielder (who originally replaced a forward) with a defender ? Interesting.

No I am not advocating it. I just think he will obviously select this team from the available personnel.

[onsideman]

For me the team almost picks itself. Nuno will play a 3-4-3/ 5-2-3 formation with the following personnel:

Hermansen 

Wan-Bisaka
Todibo
Disasi
Mavrapanos
Diouf

Fernandes
Soucek

Bowen
Castellanos
Summerville

The bench will most likely be thus:

Areola
Walker-Peters
Scarles
Kilman
Mayers
Magassa
Kante
Orford
Wilson

Not much of a bench, is it.

 

As someone who repeatedly bemoans the manager's negativity, you're advocating replacing a midfielder (who originally replaced a forward) with a defender ? Interesting.

[Vexed]

It will surely be pablo/Potts out and Magassa in. The rest the same.

I don't see the five at the back bullshit. 

[Come On You Irons]

For me the team almost picks itself. Nuno will play a 3-4-3/ 5-2-3 formation with the following personnel:

Hermansen 

Wan-Bisaka
Todibo
Disasi
Mavrapanos
Diouf

Fernandes
Soucek

Bowen
Castellanos
Summerville

The bench will most likely be thus:

Areola
Walker-Peters
Scarles
Kilman
Mayers
Magassa
Kante
Orford
Wilson

Not much of a bench, is it.
 

[El Scorchio]

Without wanting to get all COYI, but I said in the summer that Kilman would be the biggest problem we have in the entire squad, for a variety of reasons, and that Mav will be our best defender.

Doesn't seem like the most controversial shout now, but barely anyone agreed at the time.

In all fairness, Mav WAS our best performing defender at the time. I think I agreed with you but cannot remember. Kilman has just been a useless lump from almost day one and Potter was completely unable to get any sort of a tune out of Todibo. You could go either way but I think Todibo is a better player than Mav, but completely understand why someone would say the other way as Mav has really cut down the rickets he used to make. With Disasi we are in a much better position now with three centre backs I actually trust in the squad. Shame on Sullivan for doing fuck all about the problem in the summer and palming off Igor only onto the manager at that time.

[Mad Ferret]

Without wanting to get all COYI, but I said in the summer that Kilman would be the biggest problem we have in the entire squad, for a variety of reasons, and that Mav will be our best defender.

Doesn't seem like the most controversial shout now, but barely anyone agreed at the time.

Yeah you did, fair play.

[BoleynGone]

We also need a goal threat and I'm afraid Todibo has more looked like a gaol threat
Dissai and Mavro do. Cause more chaos of the right kind. However we do need a good corner taker,Scarles was putting it right on the keeper last time around. Not sure Traoe can take them or throw in's. he's got to add something different than running into walls.

[Eerie Decent]

Without wanting to get all COYI, but I said in the summer that Kilman would be the biggest problem we have in the entire squad, for a variety of reasons, and that Mav will be our best defender.

Doesn't seem like the most controversial shout now, but barely anyone agreed at the time.

[fraser]

Fuck me this is a turnaround, two centre backs that don't deserve to be dropped for another who was really good before getting sent off, who would have called this a few months ago? 

[Manuel]

Mav has arguably been our best player over the last month and was captain on Saturday. I do not expect him to be dropped and don't think it's about sentiment either, he simply doesn't deserve to be dropped. Todibo should have to earn his spot back, that should be the message from the gaffer, not casting aside a player who hasn't put a foot wrong.

[southbankbornnbred]

Definitely agree that Mav is a much better player when he isn't lined up alongside Kilman.

It means he spends less time worried about what his defensive partner will do. We have three decent CBs when they're on their game: Todibo, Disasi and Mav (although the big Greek is still prone to the odd ricket).

Kilman is now a £40m signing on 100k a week for another five years - and 4th choice. Soon to be 5th choice when Golambeckis puts on a couple of pounds of muscle and gets some experience. But we'll have to deal with that financial millstone later. It's something we can never forgive Lopetegui for.

[Tomshardware]

No way will Disasi get dropped for this, Mav maybe and he can consider himself unlucky if he does, he's been good last few games.   Up top is anyones guess, wouldn't be surprised if Traore starts.

[Eerie Decent]

Mav has been outstanding over the last month, that would be some call.

[El Scorchio]

I'd go Disasi and Todibo for this one. He's seen what Todibo and Mav, and Disasi and Mav both offer as a pairing, and this could be our best combination. Not that Mav deserves to be dropped since he's played far better next to a legit defender rather than a clown like Kilman, and Nuno may stick with him, but there is absolutely no room for sentiment here given our situaiton.

[Mad Ferret]

I thought James Court Trowse went to Burnley?

[Eerie Decent]

We've looked much less likely to concede goals with Disasi the team instead of JCT.

[stubbo-admin]

Stubbo
Agreed about Bowen being more affective out right not centrally but it may work,Nuno brought Traore in for this reason. I don't see Traore being as good as Bowen there. I'm having a Crackhead moment and thinking like Nuno.
I'd rather see players like Magassa and/or at a stretch giving Orford some minutes late in the game.

"I suspect he might make the call to bring in the perm player over the loan player ".?
you mean Todibo over Dissai ?
Dissai has suprised me,he looked the best defender we have even for those few minutes against Burton. He's a level above Todibo and Mavro.

 

Oh I agree.  Although Mavro has been excellent of late too.  If it was me I'd stick my Mavro and Disasi and stick JCT on the bench.  But squad harmony is a thing too and they're all talented players, so I think he might make Disasi bide his time a bit until one of the 'established first choice' gives him a reason to change.

[BoleynGone]

Stubbo
Agreed about Bowen being more affective out right not centrally but it may work,Nuno brought Traore in for this reason. I don't see Traore being as good as Bowen there. I'm having a Crackhead moment and thinking like Nuno.
I'd rather see players like Magassa and/or at a stretch giving Orford some minutes late in the game.

"I suspect he might make the call to bring in the perm player over the loan player ".?
you mean Todibo over Dissai ?
Dissai has suprised me,he looked the best defender we have even for those few minutes against Burton. He's a level above Todibo and Mavro.
 

[stubbo-admin]

Sir Alf 
Agreed that Nuno and his risk averse will mean we go to a back 3/5.
Todibo now a favourite of Nuno but does he deserve to come in ? Bournemouth are pacey and Todibo the quickest defender. Big call
The other solution Nuno will go for is Bowen behind Taty with Traore on the wing. 4-4-2 still. Nuno unlike most of the fans does rate him but he should be now up to speed and it's now or never. However it needs to be drilled into the guy he has to help AWB or he's off. We actually might be better with Bowen behind Taty, a far better player than Pablo. All comes down to how Traoe plays there. I can't see Traoe shinning but who know's. 

Problem for me with all these solutions is two things.

3 at the back reduces our ability to defend from the front which has been central tro our revival.  I just don't see that happening....I suspect he might make the call to bring in the perm player over the loan player.

The other is the absence of Pablo is not just about running around (which of course Bowen could do).  Bowen playing better is central to our resurgence as is Summerville, giving us a true dual wing threat.   Bowen centrally is not the same player and so he has to stay where he's the most effective.  Plus Pablo gives us a physical and aerial presence that neither Bowen, nor Adama can provide.

Last game, he brought in Potts, and Soucek played higher up. Magassa then came on and did a great job late in the game, and was probably the best player over the full game vs Burton (yes, I know it was Burton, but still).

I expect the call to be either JCT or Disasi, and Magassa to replace Potts.  Anything else feels like more wholesale/drastic departure from what's been working for us.

[Eerie Decent]

Gonzo was chatting about a 343 if todibo is back

I guess this game is too early for JCT?

so for me push Soucek up for pablo

bring magassa into midfield 

cross fingers


i think we need a win tomorrow to give our survival chances a chance

lose and we’ll need snookers or big results against top teams 

which is possible but I don’t want to need them

coyi

He’s done his three games. Burnley, Man U and Burton. So he should be available 

Yeah he is available. 

[BoleynGone]

Sir Alf 
Agreed that Nuno and his risk averse will mean we go to a back 3/5.
Todibo now a favourite of Nuno but does he deserve to come in ? Bournemouth are pacey and Todibo the quickest defender. Big call
The other solution Nuno will go for is Bowen behind Taty with Traore on the wing. 4-4-2 still. Nuno unlike most of the fans does rate him but he should be now up to speed and it's now or never. However it needs to be drilled into the guy he has to help AWB or he's off. We actually might be better with Bowen behind Taty, a far better player than Pablo. All comes down to how Traoe plays there. I can't see Traoe shinning but who know's.