US Politics Thread

[stubbo-admin]

Seems like the main politics thread is becoming a Yankee-Doodle Trump-fest, so maybe scope here to split them out.

Will see if this one gains any traction ..if it does will move over a few of the million posts from our two protagonists from the other thread.

Yee-haaa!

[Westham67]

The war on terrorism 2021  to 2021 then the Hamas attacks on Israel 2003 only two years after a 20 years of a war on terrorism so what happens ever happens with Iran wont make a difference, The  Sunni Wahhabism is the source of the terrorism ISIS and Al Qaeda Saudi and the UAE (Arabs) .Iranians are Persians and Shia Muslims, There is the Persian Gulf  of the Gulf of Arabia

[goose]

US embassy bombing 1983
US Marine bombing 1983
US Embassy bombing 1984
Hijacking of TWA airlines by Hezbollah 1985

And do you think the number and scale of Islamist terror attacks has gone up or down since the invasion of Iraq?

at what point do you stop getting involved in a region which culturally and historically doesn't want you getting involved?

At what point do you decide you are sick of having terrorist attacks on your own soil and retaliate? 

Which terror attacks on US soil have Iran been responsible for?

They did retaliate by invading Iraq and Afghanistan and that did not go well. "No more foreign wars" was the message Trump was elected on.

[Council Scum]

The first gulf war was 1990 and started a pathway to 9/11. Bin Laden said as much.

and how have things gone since the second Iraq war and invasion of Afghanistan? Do you think they've got better or worse?

US embassy bombing 1983
US Marine bombing 1983
US Embassy bombing 1984
Hijacking of TWA airlines by Hezbollah 1985

And do you think the number and scale of Islamist terror attacks has gone up or down since the invasion of Iraq?

at what point do you stop getting involved in a region which culturally and historically doesn't want you getting involved?

At what point do you decide you are sick of having terrorist attacks on your own soil and retaliate? 

[Westham67]

Several US F-16s have crashed in Kuwait the pitot's ejected

[goose]

9/11???

The first gulf war was 1990 and started a pathway to 9/11. Bin Laden said as much.

and how have things gone since the second Iraq war and invasion of Afghanistan? Do you think they've got better or worse?

US embassy bombing 1983
US Marine bombing 1983
US Embassy bombing 1984
Hijacking of TWA airlines by Hezbollah 1985

And do you think the number and scale of Islamist terror attacks has gone up or down since the invasion of Iraq?

at what point do you stop getting involved in a region which culturally and historically doesn't want you getting involved?

[Council Scum]

You don’t think UK or US foreign policy has any part to play?
How many terrorist attacks were there pre Iraq?

9/11???

The first gulf war was 1990 and started a pathway to 9/11. Bin Laden said as much.

and how have things gone since the second Iraq war and invasion of Afghanistan? Do you think they've got better or worse?

US embassy bombing 1983
US Marine bombing 1983
US Embassy bombing 1984
Hijacking of TWA airlines by Hezbollah 1985

[goose]

Only a total cսnt would blame a president for what a terrorist did to innocent people. 

So who was to blame for the bombing at a kids concert in Manchester?

You don’t think UK or US foreign policy has any part to play?
How many terrorist attacks were there pre Iraq?

9/11???

The first gulf war was 1990 and started a pathway to 9/11. Bin Laden said as much.

and how have things gone since the second Iraq war and invasion of Afghanistan? Do you think they've got better or worse?

[Council Scum]

Only a total cսnt would blame a president for what a terrorist did to innocent people. 

So who was to blame for the bombing at a kids concert in Manchester?

You don’t think UK or US foreign policy has any part to play?
How many terrorist attacks were there pre Iraq?

9/11???

World trade centre bombing 1993
CIA Head quarters shooting 1993
Brooklyn Bridge shooting 191994
Bojinka Plot 1995 (Foiled)
Empire States Building bombiing 1997 (Foiled)

Riyadh Bombing 1995 on Us Military

[XKhammer]

They wouldn’t be dead if this ‘war’ hadn’t started. What happened to no more foreign wars?
The US’s own intelligence said that Iran was not actively pursuing a bomb and was years away from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Day 1 of this war and the USA had a terror attack on its own soil.

Only a total cսnt would blame a president for what a terrorist did to innocent people. 

So who was to blame for the bombing at a kids concert in Manchester?

You don’t think UK or US foreign policy has any part to play?
How many terrorist attacks were there pre Iraq?

9/11???

[Westham67]

The Manchester bomber was removed from Libya by the UK government on a British warship as a privileged  refugee

*Evacuated on a British warship from Libya

[Westham67]

The Manchester bomber was removed from Libya by the UK government on a British warship as a privileged  refugee

[goose]

It's war, casualties are always highly likely, you can't be that naive to think there wouldn't be any? The devastation of their Regime Epic Fure Operation itself is what's so impressive. To destroy so much of their top command, nuclear and missile capability since last June to now is going to neuter them long term for the betterment of everyone.

You would have preferred the old Islamic Rep Regime to exist continuing on with their proxy wars and terror?

They wouldn’t be dead if this ‘war’ hadn’t started. What happened to no more foreign wars?
The US’s own intelligence said that Iran was not actively pursuing a bomb and was years away from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Day 1 of this war and the USA had a terror attack on its own soil.

Only a total cսnt would blame a president for what a terrorist did to innocent people. 

So who was to blame for the bombing at a kids concert in Manchester?

You don’t think UK or US foreign policy has any part to play?
How many terrorist attacks were there pre Iraq?

[goose]

Botched by different Administrations for a start although the problem for all the region was the Iranian sponsored input to destabilising it all, hence why this is so important in strangling Irans capability to continue their terror once and for all. What's noticeable is allies in the Region are preferring to back the US on going ahead with it rather than siding with the Islamic Rep Regime because they too also realise how destabilising they are. Many who don't support them are sick and tired of the same old evil Regime and like many (if not yourself) across the world as well as in the entire region there welcomes it. 

They also had their chance after chance after chance to play ball with America who were willing to come to table but alas they had no intention for genuine diplomacy and instead continue on waging their wars by proxy. Long overdue and more than happy to see it being followed through after making such a significant targetted impact last year.

So is it regime change to free the people or is it about nuclear capability?

Both, which only goes to show how important this all is, for all of us. 

The US intelligence contradicts the second point.
The first point we’ve been here before with many other countries and it’s never worked out well. Why is this time going to be different?

[goose]

So is it regime change to free the people or is it about nuclear capability?

both would be good for the people of Iran & the World... would you not agree the World would be a safer place?

when you consider the Israelis have lived under daily threat from not only Iran but their proxies as well (Hamas, Hezbollah & Houthi's) for decades and, the people of Iran get murdered in their ten's of thousands if they protest against the regime. By your previous comments one would believe that you would prefer the status quo, killing of Iranians & Jews must be ok in your book.

 

Goose wants to wait until Iran becomes an imminent threat of nuclear war. Let that sink in! That’s what you are arguing with.

If that’s the issue why haven’t the US been bombing North Korea?

[Nutsin]

So is it regime change to free the people or is it about nuclear capability?

both would be good for the people of Iran & the World... would you not agree the World would be a safer place?

when you consider the Israelis have lived under daily threat from not only Iran but their proxies as well (Hamas, Hezbollah & Houthi's) for decades and, the people of Iran get murdered in their ten's of thousands if they protest against the regime. By your previous comments one would believe that you would prefer the status quo, killing of Iranians & Jews must be ok in your book.

 

 

Goose wants to wait until Iran becomes an imminent threat of nuclear war. Let that sink in! That’s what you are arguing with.

[fraser]

A week in Pattaya for me and the Mrs, managed luckily to book flights Sunday on Eva. No seats available now for quite a few days and flights were going for silly money. We did OK got ours for normal price.. Mrs has to take a week's unpaid leave though... But the weather is nice and the beers are cheap.. 

[Nutsin]

I doubt the families of the 3 dead American soldiers think it’s going fantastic.

Do you honestly believe Iran was a present threat to Europe or the US?

It's war, casualties are always highly likely, you can't be that naive to think there wouldn't be any? The devastation of their Regime Epic Fure Operation itself is what's so impressive. To destroy so much of their top command, nuclear and missile capability since last June to now is going to neuter them long term for the betterment of everyone.

You would have preferred the old Islamic Rep Regime to exist continuing on with their proxy wars and terror?

They wouldn’t be dead if this ‘war’ hadn’t started. What happened to no more foreign wars?
The US’s own intelligence said that Iran was not actively pursuing a bomb and was years away from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Day 1 of this war and the USA had a terror attack on its own soil.

Only a total cսnt would blame a president for what a terrorist did to innocent people. 

So who was to blame for the bombing at a kids concert in Manchester?

[Nutsin]

Third and final time I ask, you would have preferred the Status Quo?

Absolutely. As would the families of the 3 dead soldiers & the people killed in Texas today.

Iran wasn’t a threat to Europe or the US.
Has there been any recent examples of regime changes in the Middle East which have gone well?

Since when have you cared about the victims?

[Nutsin]

How many years were US/Britsh forces in Afghanistan trying to do that?

It's not the same situation. Conflicts in the past were never going to make material change in the region like crushing this one. This is the head of the beast which needed toppling the most.

The entire point of Afghanistan was to topple the Taliban - and look who ended up replacing them.
There's dozens of other crazy Islamic clerics lined up to take over......... are you happy to commit troops into Iran to oversee change to the 'right' one?

Actually the entire point of Afghanistan was its mineral wealth. They have an abundance of lithium, iron ore and rare earths and others. They have been labelled the Saudi Arabia of minerals, they’d be a very rich country if we could get our hands on it.

[Massive Attack]

Absolutely. As would the families of the 3 dead soldiers & the people killed in Texas today.

Iran wasn’t a threat to Europe or the US.
Has there been any recent examples of regime changes in the Middle East which have gone well?

Botched by different Administrations for a start although the problem for all the region was the Iranian sponsored input to destabilising it all, hence why this is so important in strangling Irans capability to continue their terror once and for all. What's noticeable is allies in the Region are preferring to back the US on going ahead with it rather than siding with the Islamic Rep Regime because they too also realise how destabilising they are. Many who don't support them are sick and tired of the same old evil Regime and like many (if not yourself) across the world as well as in the entire region there welcomes it. 

They also had their chance after chance after chance to play ball with America who were willing to come to table but alas they had no intention for genuine diplomacy and instead continue on waging their wars by proxy. Long overdue and more than happy to see it being followed through after making such a significant targetted impact last year.

So is it regime change to free the people or is it about nuclear capability?

Both, which only goes to show how important this all is, for all of us. 

[OK_Guy]

So is it regime change to free the people or is it about nuclear capability?

both would be good for the people of Iran & the World... would you not agree the World would be a safer place?

when you consider the Israelis have lived under daily threat from not only Iran but their proxies as well (Hamas, Hezbollah & Houthi's) for decades and, the people of Iran get murdered in their ten's of thousands if they protest against the regime. By your previous comments one would believe that you would prefer the status quo, killing of Iranians & Jews must be ok in your book.

[goose]

Third and final time I ask, you would have preferred the Status Quo?

Absolutely. As would the families of the 3 dead soldiers & the people killed in Texas today.

Iran wasn’t a threat to Europe or the US.
Has there been any recent examples of regime changes in the Middle East which have gone well?

Botched by different Administrations for a start although the problem for all the region was the Iranian sponsored input to destabilising it all, hence why this is so important in strangling Irans capability to continue their terror once and for all. What's noticeable is allies in the Region are preferring to back the US on going ahead with it rather than siding with the Islamic Rep Regime because they too also realise how destabilising they are. Many who don't support them are sick and tired of the same old evil Regime and like many (if not yourself) across the world as well as in the entire region there welcomes it. 

They also had their chance after chance after chance to play ball with America who were willing to come to table but alas they had no intention for genuine diplomacy and instead continue on waging their wars by proxy. Long overdue and more than happy to see it being followed through after making such a significant targetted impact last year.

So is it regime change to free the people or is it about nuclear capability?

[Massive Attack]

Third and final time I ask, you would have preferred the Status Quo?

Absolutely. As would the families of the 3 dead soldiers & the people killed in Texas today.

Iran wasn’t a threat to Europe or the US.
Has there been any recent examples of regime changes in the Middle East which have gone well?

Botched by different Administrations for a start although the problem for all the region was the Iranian sponsored input to destabilising it all, hence why this is so important in strangling Irans capability to continue their terror once and for all. What's noticeable is allies in the Region are preferring to back the US on going ahead with it rather than siding with the Islamic Rep Regime because they too also realise how destabilising they are. Many who don't support them are sick and tired of the same old evil Regime and like many (if not yourself) across the world as well as in the entire region there welcomes it. 

They also had their chance after chance after chance to play ball with America who were willing to come to table but alas they had no intention for genuine diplomacy and instead continue on waging their wars by proxy. Long overdue and more than happy to see it being followed through after making such a significant targetted impact last year.

[Gank]

Europe probably thinks the aggressor shouldn’t be rewarded by taking Ukraine territory 
If China invaded the US which bits would you give up?

 

That would make sense if the USA had illegally broken away from China years ago and it technically still 'belonged' to the slopes. Otherwise it's entirely irrelevant.

[goose]

Third and final time I ask, you would have preferred the Status Quo?

Absolutely. As would the families of the 3 dead soldiers & the people killed in Texas today.

Iran wasn’t a threat to Europe or the US.
Has there been any recent examples of regime changes in the Middle East which have gone well?