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stubbo-admin wrote: ↑04 Jan 2025, 11:38

goose wrote: ↑04 Jan 2025, 09:57 Brilliant.

So Pickle the weasel plays down grooming & rape of children, gets called out for it and then runs crying to the mods.

 

Show me the comment where this as a crime was 'played down' or condoned, as opposed to the a controversial explanation for it via conspiracy theory having been presented.  And lets be frank, if you want to engage in the disucssion of controversial or emotive topics in a forum such as this, you have to be open to engaging with controversial or emotive viewpoints without resorting to name calling or abuse, even if provoked.

Mudslinging abuse at indiviudals rather than engaging in logical debate around why their views are misguided is the exact way to have this kind of thread shut down.  If the site were to allow this kind of behaviour it is a good way to have the site shut down and the operators of the site ultimately in trouble with the law.  And we're a football forum first and foremost, not a free speech crusade.

If the site doesn't want to just have this kind of topic completely blacklisted, than unless an accusation is backed up with evidence and can be justified as a viewpoint, it will just be deemed abuse.

But 95% are fed up with the deterioration of discussion turning to abuse and vitriol.  If you want to do that, frankly, go do it on X or Reddit or one of the other many vehicles for trolling and name calling that exist.

We have devisive characters that present 'devils advocate' or contrary view points.  That goes hand in hand with discussion.  If you don't like what they say, take their oxygen away and don't engage.

But myself and the mods are getting fed up with having to police the back and forth arguing and bickering between (assumed) adults.  There is no innate right on a publicly presented privately owned forum to say what you like to whoever you like without consequences, or to demand that because someone has an opinion you don't like (in either direction) that they should be ostracised. 

We're a West Ham football forum first and foremost, not a 'West Ham & XYZ Policitial Leaning' forum.  And we're tired of dealing with off-topic discussions turning to abuse.

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑04 Jan 2025, 11:38

goose wrote: ↑04 Jan 2025, 09:57 Brilliant.

So Pickle the weasel plays down grooming & rape of children, gets called out for it and then runs crying to the mods.

 

Show me the comment where this as a crime was 'played down' or condoned, as opposed to the a controversial explanation for it via conspiracy theory having been presented.  And lets be frank, if you want to engage in the disucssion of controversial or emotive topics in a forum such as this, you have to be open to engaging with controversial or emotive viewpoints without resorting to name calling or abuse, even if provoked.

Mudslinging abuse at indiviudals rather than engaging in logical debate around why their views are misguided is the exact way to have this kind of thread shut down.  If the site were to allow this kind of behaviour it is a good way to have the site shut down and the operators of the site ultimately in trouble with the law.  And we're a football forum first and foremost, not a free speech crusade.

If the site doesn't want to just have this kind of topic completely blacklisted, than unless an accusation is backed up with evidence and can be justified as a viewpoint, it will just be deemed abuse.

But 95% are fed up with the deterioration of discussion turning to abuse and vitriol.  If you want to do that, frankly, go do it on X or Reddit or one of the other many vehicles for trolling and name calling that exist.

We have devisive characters that present 'devils advocate' or contrary view points.  That goes hand in hand with discussion.  If you don't like what they say, take their oxygen away and don't engage.

But myself and the mods are getting fed up with having to police the back and forth arguing and bickering between (assumed) adults.  There is no innate right on a publicly presented privately owned forum to say what you like to whoever you like without consequences, or to demand that because someone has an opinion you don't like (in either direction) that they should be ostracised. 

We're a West Ham football forum first and foremost, not a 'West Ham & XYZ Policitial Leaning' forum.  And we're tired of dealing with off-topic discussions turning to abuse.

goose wrote: ↑04 Jan 2025, 09:57 Brilliant.

So Pickle the weasel plays down grooming & rape of children, gets called out for it and then runs crying to the mods.

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑04 Jan 2025, 11:30 Anyway, if you've all quite finished calling each other paedos, todays geography lesson from Suella Braverman...



 

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑04 Jan 2025, 11:15 How can indicating that the Cologne sex attacks were clearly an organised act of provocation with all the features of bring a KGB special op be “enabling nonces”?

Of course it isn’t but suggesting it is is definitely supportive of the special operation.

, wrote: ↑03 Jan 2025, 15:11 One wonders why Kemi, so recently in government, did not take the action that she is calling for now?

nychammer wrote: ↑27 Dec 2024, 18:05

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑24 Dec 2024, 11:46 I have always said NATO members need to spend more to strengthen the transatlantic alliance and keep common cause as free democracies.

It pretty much goes without saying.

 

All members should pay their fair share. Americans  “pay” more because they will be the ones who have the military infrastructure. I think to Trumps point, is it fair that the US pay two thirds of the defence budget? I think an equitable split is 50/50 North America vs Europe maybe, especially as threat of conflict is likelier to come from the east

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑24 Dec 2024, 11:46 I have always said NATO members need to spend more to strengthen the transatlantic alliance and keep common cause as free democracies.

It pretty much goes without saying.

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑24 Dec 2024, 11:19 Of course Trump was right