Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

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[Rossal]

paqueta is one of our very few players who doesn't treat the ball like a farmer's daughter treats her corpulent syphilitic earl of a husband on their arranged wedding night, for that he stays in the XI.

Yup and I think he pays the price for taking more risks with the ball in that it'll get taken off him sometimes or the more risky pass won't come off. Sometimes that's because it's intercepted or sometimes because the other players don't have the anticipation to be ready for it or move for it. These are the things that can only be worked on through consistency in the team. If it's different players every time it's much harder to know what they'll try and do.

But back to the point, I'm sure his pass completion rate is toilet compared to JWP, but that's because JWP just passes it 10 yards sideways and backwards doing absolutely nothing for the team. Paqueta is much more trying to get the ball forward or playing a through ball. Definitely a lower success rate but it's clear which one is more beneficial if we want to be an attacking force as a team. And I should add it's not his fault nor should he be put in the position where if he loses the ball then we're immediately in desperation stakes because the rest of the team, particularly the defenders and deep midfielders are so fucking poor or inadequate that every time we lose it, the oppo look like scoring.

We never have a chance to gel because it's so mix and match. It's clear that teams that have consistency from one game to another or over the course of a season perform better. 

The risky pass hardly ever comes off thats the point.  He plays a risky pass which most of the time isn't even on. Plays a shit ball, usually a dink over the top to no one and we lose it. Does it 5 or 6 times ever game. 

If he got loads of goals and assists but lost it alot you'd suffer it but he doesnt so his impact in the team is largely negative. 

[Rossal]

Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago. 

If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists. 

Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now. 

Knocking Paqueta is pointless. We have had three fucking useless managers, and now Nuno who, for me the jury is out, who have played him as a "false 9" because the little cսnt would not finance a good striker. 
Whether Paqueta blows hot and cold isn't the issue. He is hardly likely to be creative in a false 9 role and neither, as under Moyes at times, on the left wing.
If Paqueta had not performed when being played in his central midfield role then fair enough, slag him. If he is less productive when playing out of position then who's fault is that?

"If Paqueta had not performed when being played in his central midfield role then fair enough, slag him."

Yeah he hasn't. Year and a half since an assist in the league. He hasn't had a run of games in CM in that time?    The bloke is so overated its mental. 

[Ron Eff]

———————- Areola 
AWB.   Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman   Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville

Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.  
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it.  might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick? 

Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score.  Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.  

unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?

I can’t think of a scenario where I would start Todibo. I ldeally not Kilman either but at least his faults are all ability based. Todibo stinks the place out with his lethargic, lazy attitude, while also being absolutely shit. 

Give Igor a go, but even absent that, Wan-Bissaka, Soucek, couldn’t give a shit who really, just not that big for his boots shithouse Todibo. 

[El Scorchio]

paqueta is one of our very few players who doesn't treat the ball like a farmer's daughter treats her corpulent syphilitic earl of a husband on their arranged wedding night, for that he stays in the XI.

Yup and I think he pays the price for taking more risks with the ball in that it'll get taken off him sometimes or the more risky pass won't come off. Sometimes that's because it's intercepted or sometimes because the other players don't have the anticipation to be ready for it or move for it. These are the things that can only be worked on through consistency in the team. If it's different players every time it's much harder to know what they'll try and do.

But back to the point, I'm sure his pass completion rate is toilet compared to JWP, but that's because JWP just passes it 10 yards sideways and backwards doing absolutely nothing for the team. Paqueta is much more trying to get the ball forward or playing a through ball. Definitely a lower success rate but it's clear which one is more beneficial if we want to be an attacking force as a team. And I should add it's not his fault nor should he be put in the position where if he loses the ball then we're immediately in desperation stakes because the rest of the team, particularly the defenders and deep midfielders are so fucking poor or inadequate that every time we lose it, the oppo look like scoring.

We never have a chance to gel because it's so mix and match. It's clear that teams that have consistency from one game to another or over the course of a season perform better. 

[gpike]

Paq has been by and large awful for the last two seasons in any position he has been played in. He loses possession constantly hits the deck on any challenge that refs now, because of his play acting, do not give as fouls so the opposition can break on us. The pass complete percentage is appalling as he tries the impossible pass more often that not and the ball is lost again. We will instantly be better as a team if he is on the bench 

[factory seconds]

paqueta is one of our very few players who doesn't treat the ball like a farmer's daughter treats her corpulent syphilitic earl of a husband on their arranged wedding night, for that he stays in the XI.

[ATHammer]

Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago. 

If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists. 

Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now. 

Knocking Paqueta is pointless. We have had three fucking useless managers, and now Nuno who, for me the jury is out, who have played him as a "false 9" because the little cսnt would not finance a good striker. 
Whether Paqueta blows hot and cold isn't the issue. He is hardly likely to be creative in a false 9 role and neither, as under Moyes at times, on the left wing.
If Paqueta had not performed when being played in his central midfield role then fair enough, slag him. If he is less productive when playing out of position then who's fault is that?

[Rossal]

Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago. 

If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists. 

Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now. 

He has never been a 10... He's been heavily involved in a high percentage of our goals, two of them at Forest don't happen without him, I never understand why some don't count that. I've seen quite a few chances created by him that aren't finished and he wins more duals and wins the ball back more than anyone in our team, so yeah lets remove that and replace it with who?

Like I said because he's underperforming like everyone he's still doing some things the best in our team so why remove that. 

He played well at Forest, he was superb that day.    You get that what one in 7 or 8 games though? 

He was bought as a creative/goal scoring midfielder. Certainly more of a 10 when we got him, maybe more if an 8 now. 

I like that he gets stuck in and throws a challenge in, what I would like even more though if he didn't lose it half as much and attempt 7 or 8 of them shitty chip through balls he does every single game which go out for a goal kick or to their keeper. 

We can persist with him being useless or we can try something new, same for the others i've mentioned. But persisting with them is taking us straight to the championship where they will be straight on the phone to their agents and get them out of there. 

[fraser]

Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago. 

If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists. 

Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now. 

He has never been a 10... He's been heavily involved in a high percentage of our goals, two of them at Forest don't happen without him, I never understand why some don't count that. I've seen quite a few chances created by him that aren't finished and he wins more duals and wins the ball back more than anyone in our team, so yeah lets remove that and replace it with who?

Like I said because he's underperforming like everyone he's still doing some things the best in our team so why remove that. 

[Rossal]

Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago. 

If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists. 

Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now. 

[Council Scum]

The best we have played this season is with a back 4, a defensive midfielder sat in front of the 4 and a striker, It also gets the best out of Paqueta as well. 

Why people are putting out different formations, without a striker or Bowen up front is lost on me. 

[El Scorchio]

Not to leap to Paqueta's defence here but the fucker needs to be played consistently in his best position with some consistency around him. They all fucking do.
You're not goign to get the best out of him playing him one week as a false nine, then on the left flank, then as box to box, especially with a rotating cast around him. There's never any consistency in the line ups to build some familiarity. Even Fernandes is played in different roles each game. That is not how to get the best out of players. One role, stuck to, worked on, better play will come.

Under all three managers we've arsed around far too much with the midfield. We don't have a good hand for any manager to play, that's a given, but just put faith in three of them and stick to it. IMO that's Paqueta, Fernandes and one other, be it Potts or Magassa. They will develop an understanding of what each other is going to do and how to play with each other at the moment it's no wonder they all look like strangers every week.

It's a shame we aren't ever until Jan at least get a (decent) striker we can rely on to stay fit so they can get used to playing with them. That's also essential. It's clear Fullkrug isn't it, Nuno absolutely does not fancy Wilson, and Marshall just isn't ready yet sadly. At least Bowen and Summerville are constants in their positions.

[eusebiovic]

Yep you're probably mostly right, but if the output of most of the useless overpaid wankers is close to zero.....I would rather try a promising youngster or someone else rather than watch Paqueta or Kilman trot out another 3/10 performance Friday 

They are all playing shit but I've had enough of watching Paqueta farting about chasing shadows every week...He clearly doesn't want to be here.

Maybe a Potts/Magassa/Fernandes midfield 3 deserves a go. At least they have youth on their side. AWB and Diouf on the overlap. The trouble is the central defence and striker positions are still very poor and undercooked. 

Otherwise it's the alternative of Guido/Soucek/Paqueta in the middle which sounds less impressive considering JWP and Irving are on the bench. We need a beast in midfield who knows how to sheild our nervous defence to make them look better. Where do you find one of those with our twat of an owner holding the purse strings?

Nightmare

[Rossal]

Yep you're probably mostly right, but if the output of most of the useless overpaid wankers is close to zero.....I would rather try a promising youngster or someone else rather than watch Paqueta or Kilman trot out another 3/10 performance Friday 

[fraser]

Why do any of them deserve to be dropped before others, they've all been equally shit and that includes Bowen.. 

I would say Kilman, JWP, Soucek have been standouts so far this season for all the wrong reasons. 

Paqueta seems to avoid criticism as he does some stepovers and is Brazillian but as a creative number 10 his output has been shocking for years now. 

His output has been shocking but so has everyone's but up till a couple of weeks ago he was statistically our highest rated player by these stats sites (yeah I know) but though he's under performing for him he's not going to be replaced by anyone who does better and will make us weaker .. It's a sad state of affairs. 

We miss Kudus because he at least got us up the pitch and away from our goal. 

I like Nuno but that was an abomination of a line up and the cսnt needs to redeem himself. 

[Rossal]

Why do any of them deserve to be dropped before others, they've all been equally shit and that includes Bowen.. 

I would say Kilman, JWP, Soucek have been standouts so far this season for all the wrong reasons. 

Paqueta seems to avoid criticism as he does some stepovers and is Brazillian but as a creative number 10 his output has been shocking for years now. 

[Rossal]

———————- Areola 
AWB.   Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman   Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville

Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.  
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it.  might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick? 

Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score.  Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.  

unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?

The sad thing is that looking at that team, (which may be our strongest) is that half of it you are starting because there is no one else rather than you believe they have earned their spots and have been performing well 

Paqueta, Kilman, Magassa, Todibo and maybe Fernandes don't deserve to play Friday. The absolute state of us. 

                                 Areola 
                      AWB Todibo Igor 
           KWP  Potts Fernandes  Diouf 
                      Marshall  Summerville 
                                 Bowen 

Something like this is what I would want to see and persist with.  Stop playing the fucking useless slow ineffective cunts that we have to endure so far this season.  Play the youth, play the ones that can run and see where it takes us. 

I'd also not be opposed to Fearon starting to get minutes as his partnership with Potts has looked strong in the 23's 

Rodriguez, Irving, Soucek, JWP should be left out of the squad for Friday, whats the point in having them around anymore?  they offer fuck all. 

I agree with you regarding Paqueta, Kilman and Todibo, but what has Magassa done to deserve being dropped? He didn't play at all on Monday.

Wilson has to start over League One level Marshall though.

Well what has he done to earn a start?  Hardly set the world alight so far has he. 

Wouldn't mind if Wilson starts, but aside from his Forest cameo has he done anything?   Least Marshall has legs and adds some pace into the attack. Wilson might be better impacting the second half. 

[fraser]

Why do any of them deserve to be dropped before others, they've all been equally shit and that includes Bowen.. 

[Mad Ferret]

Rossknowsfuckall has a hate boner for Magassa and Soucek.

He's best ignored.

[Come On You Irons]

———————- Areola 
AWB.   Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman   Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville

Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.  
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it.  might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick? 

Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score.  Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.  

unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?

The sad thing is that looking at that team, (which may be our strongest) is that half of it you are starting because there is no one else rather than you believe they have earned their spots and have been performing well 

Paqueta, Kilman, Magassa, Todibo and maybe Fernandes don't deserve to play Friday. The absolute state of us. 

                                 Areola 
                      AWB Todibo Igor 
           KWP  Potts Fernandes  Diouf 
                      Marshall  Summerville 
                                 Bowen 

Something like this is what I would want to see and persist with.  Stop playing the fucking useless slow ineffective cunts that we have to endure so far this season.  Play the youth, play the ones that can run and see where it takes us. 

I'd also not be opposed to Fearon starting to get minutes as his partnership with Potts has looked strong in the 23's 

Rodriguez, Irving, Soucek, JWP should be left out of the squad for Friday, whats the point in having them around anymore?  they offer fuck all. 

I agree with you regarding Paqueta, Kilman and Todibo, but what has Magassa done to deserve being dropped? He didn't play at all on Monday.

Wilson has to start over League One level Marshall though.

[Rossal]

———————- Areola 
AWB.   Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman   Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville

Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.  
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it.  might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick? 

Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score.  Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.  

unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?

The sad thing is that looking at that team, (which may be our strongest) is that half of it you are starting because there is no one else rather than you believe they have earned their spots and have been performing well 

Paqueta, Kilman, Magassa, Todibo and maybe Fernandes don't deserve to play Friday. The absolute state of us. 

                                 Areola 
                      AWB Todibo Igor 
           KWP  Potts Fernandes  Diouf 
                      Marshall  Summerville 
                                 Bowen 

Something like this is what I would want to see and persist with.  Stop playing the fucking useless slow ineffective cunts that we have to endure so far this season.  Play the youth, play the ones that can run and see where it takes us. 

I'd also not be opposed to Fearon starting to get minutes as his partnership with Potts has looked strong in the 23's 

Rodriguez, Irving, Soucek, JWP should be left out of the squad for Friday, whats the point in having them around anymore?  they offer fuck all. 

[Gank]

West Ham United have spent more time winning against Nuno Espírito Santo (16 minutes, 21 seconds vs Nottingham Forest in August) than they have in three games with him as manager in the Premier League this season (zero).

Credit: Opta

[Sir Alf]

———————- Areola 
AWB.   Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman   Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville

Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.  
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it.  might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick? 

Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score.  Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.  

unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?

[goose]

‘Were’ not ‘was’ you cretin.

[XKhammer]

You was warned ...be careful what you wish for...you was warned