Crapaqueta

[THUNDERCLINT]

Hopefully that's the last we see of the overhyped cսnt.

Out the door 1st Jan.

[twoleftfeet]

I don't know, I still think we would be better buying players to get the best out of Paqueta than selling Paqueta to suit the dross that plays around him.

He has Potts, Magassa and Fernandes around him, he can’t complain. 

[Gank]

I don't know, I still think we would be better buying players to get the best out of Paqueta than selling Paqueta to suit the dross that plays around him.

[Texas Iron]

head case…

Obviously doesn’t want to play for us…

Probably thinks the club should have done more for him in betting case…

[twoleftfeet]

The only similarities between Payet and Paqueta is that both were/are moody cunts. The comparisons stop there because Payet was a genius, Paqueta is to Payet what JWP is to Alan Devonshire. Different planets in terms of footballing ability. 

[Takashi Miike]

comparing him to a previous player that isn't Brady or a genuinely elite talent, i'd say Bish had as much ability but also the added work rate, character and consistency. I think Paq can and often has worked hard, but his bad days far outnumber the good ones

[fraser]

Overhyped nonce. Good riddance!

Nonce, go on then ill play why is he a nonce? 

[Keep dreaming]

Overhyped nonce. Good riddance!

[BoleynGone]

I liked him in the team when we had Rice doing his donkey work,even Soucek would achieve this.
Like others have said apart from a couple of great goals,I've watched a Wow moment from him.
He wouldn't get near tying Payet's boots,the last player we had who was that Wow player. I don't even think he gets naer Lanzini at his best. Rice gave us more Wow moments and he was a defensive midfielder,

 

[Sir Alf]

Against the best teams you have a much bigger chance of being punished if you give tye ball away too cheaply and too often. Thats Paqueta for me. Gets away with it most weeks but always guilty of necessary turnovers of possession by playing self indulgent, “Hollywood pass” or getting caught in possession followed by a dive trying to blag a free kick to cover for his unnecessary mistakes. 

Problem we have is we have no obvious replacement from the squad. Fernandes could maybe but means we have to either stick with 3 in midfield and / or hooe for no injuries in that area rest of season. For me, Paq should have been benched or subbed a lot more yhan he has but the squad weakness has made that impossible. Until Jan and a possible transfer solution, Nuno has to try Earthy in that midfield as an alternative option. Not necessarily starting games but getting minutes to see what he can offer in the PL. Based on watching his u21 games, he has been the standout player, 2 footed, 5ft11 so not small, runs all day and most importantly a real “team player” something Paqueta is not.  May not work but has to be worth a go surely??  Nuno allegedly blamed Paqueta indirectly for the defeat on asunday as he emphasised it was so early in the 2nd half to allow back in the game?   Hopefully that forces him to give Earthy a chance rather than “protecting him” due to recent injuries. Kante can play a part but he aint the obvious alternative to Paqueta as he has a totally different profile. Earthy is the closest.   But sadly Nuno has been a slow learner ( better than the previous 4 managers mind as they never even considered the need for youth in midfield full stop ) so I suspect Soucek, Guido or Irvine may be turned to yet again despite them repeatedly showing they are not up to it

[honky cat]

Without going over the same old he's been disappointing. I honestly can't think of a single wow game 9 or 10/10 performance. Jarrod has put a good few in, Summerville had one even. And even mavro when we beat arsenal a couple of years ago. Soucek has brought us back from the dead many times. Nothing memorable stands out for me, aside from the pass in Prague, which to be fair was top draw.

[the exile]

It's certainly been a rollercoaster ride with Paqueta and it has become a complicated issue - far from being en easy, black and white decision as to whether to play him or drop him, keep him or sell him. 
I completely agree with Gank about his unseen hard work - he certainly isn't lazy or a shirker. For me, the negatives are his infuriating tendency to lose possession, often in dangerous areas - he never seems to show any inclination to learn from this. Then there's the fact that the goals and decisive passes are too few and far between. So overall, I have to say I won't be sorry to see him either dropped or sold. Shame his value will have plummeted since City were after him. 

[Far Cough UKunt]

Isn't Paq utilised wide left for Brasil?

Agreed, Fernandes is a keeper.
 

[Eerie Decent]

I've always been an advocate, up until very recently, he is one of the few genuine match winners we have.

However, as the situation we're in is now critical, the off days seem to be becoming the norm, and I would rather another quick forward player in the squad over him. Fernandes in the 10 position moving forward, with pace added up top and out wide, makes us a better team.

[dealcanvey]

You just dont know what you are going to get with him.

I thought he was great against Brighton. Against Villa he was our worst player.

Saw a stat that he misplaced 9 passes and lost the ball 16 times.

Nuno playing 4 cms to accommodate him. 

Capable of brilliance but also capable of being a massive liability. 

Think we are better off selling in Jan if we can and using the money for a ST.

[Massive Attack]

I actually think he’s better when he’s deeper.







 

Problem is, play him deeper then we risk what happened for their 2nd goal that let them back in the game happening more often. Any way we slice it, he's now more of a liability than he is a real asset to the Team. We have carried him for far too long as it is since that Final, 2 and a half long years ago now of the same shit. It's not like the Club and fans haven't shown faith and stuck by him either, he's been absolutely spoilt in that regard. And how does he repay that loyalty? By getting himself 2 suspensions and gifting goals away when we needed him the most now the FA Case has long finished. Cheers for that, Paqueta..

[Gary Strodders shank]

If you are looking at it in terms of risk and reward the rewards don't warrant the risk of him giving the ball away in key areas or throwing his toys out of the pram and getting sent off these days.

I think Fernandes could be a real star for us and he seems to have a decent attitude and temperament to boot.

He may well flourish further when Paqueta departs.

For me it's all about his woes and injustices and not enough about the club he represents.

He isn't no Di Canio as far as the refs are concerned and as far as any bias does go he merely plays into their hands.

It's about time he woke up and smelt the coffee.

The position we are in requires discipline and cool heads not loose cannon's.


 

[Nick QQQ2]

He’s a bit of a myth if you ask me.  I’ve never seen him as an exciting player who unlocks games, far from it.  I actually think he’s better when he’s deeper.
in terms of his creativity our play breaks down more with him in the team, mainly because he always trys the difficult final ball.  It was the same again yesterday apart from Bowens off side goal.  Playing dunks into the box that never hit their target.
if he left I’m not sure there would be many sad to see him go.

[Gank]

I'm probably too old school to use West Ham forums (fora?) these days, I support West Ham for love and entertainment and really loved our time in the Championship so risky flair players letting us down and getting us off our seats in equal measures is as important to me as the grafters whereas tourists and the sort of West Ham supporters who live on the internet these days would be happier with those same grafters I value but swapping the flair players for a load of cloggers and ball holders if it guaranteed survival.

I'm the same. I'm not schlepping across the city every other week in hope of glory as much as being entertained and I lament the days of the maverick footballers and humour among the fans. But Paqueta ain't it. He might have been when he first arrived, but it's been a long, long time now since he has had a run of entertaining games. I am happy for him to fuck up or lose his head as long as the net contribution is positive. He's not entertaining more than he is frustrating and he isn't picking out and making more sublime through balls than he is giving the ball away. So it's not "equal measure" at all; he's sapping both the success of the team and my enjoyment of watching them.

Nobody likes Sullivan but he does get an easy ride by sanctioning more Igor Julio's and Max Kilmans  than Paolo Di Canios and Lucas Paquetas

No way Paqueta's comparable to Di Canio, if that's what you're implying. Even in terms of their respective antics with the ref.

You do make a good point, I suppose what I'm saying is that every West Ham team needs to have a skilled nut case like this but also like you said, the rest of the team need more reliability due to our league position and apart from Bowen and maybe Areola, they're just not good enough, especially in defence, to afford anyone less than 'always reliable'.

I still say that he works so much harder than you see on the telly, but he does dive and his risky balls either a)give the ball away (50%) b) are amazing and result in a goal opportunity (10%)  or c) are amazing but his team mates can't make use of it (40%) so I do understand why people might not want him starting right now even if that means Soucek has to, but I'll never get my head around people wanting him gone out of the club. That sounds like we're resigned to always being in this struggle.

[Sir Alf]

Not the safe, solid reliable battler needed in a relegation fight. Too many costly errors giving the ball away and not enough creativity to balance that out to be starting every game. But look at the squad, who replaces him?   

Thats why Earthy should be on the bench? Hes the best player in the U21s ( ahead if Kante imo ) and can play that role. Scarles might be the other option. 

[wils]

I'm probably too old school to use West Ham forums (fora?) these days, I support West Ham for love and entertainment and really loved our time in the Championship so risky flair players letting us down and getting us off our seats in equal measures is as important to me as the grafters whereas tourists and the sort of West Ham supporters who live on the internet these days would be happier with those same grafters I value but swapping the flair players for a load of cloggers and ball holders if it guaranteed survival.

I'm the same. I'm not schlepping across the city every other week in hope of glory as much as being entertained and I lament the days of the maverick footballers and humour among the fans. But Paqueta ain't it. He might have been when he first arrived, but it's been a long, long time now since he has had a run of entertaining games. I am happy for him to fuck up or lose his head as long as the net contribution is positive. He's not entertaining more than he is frustrating and he isn't picking out and making more sublime through balls than he is giving the ball away. So it's not "equal measure" at all; he's sapping both the success of the team and my enjoyment of watching them.

Nobody likes Sullivan but he does get an easy ride by sanctioning more Igor Julio's and Max Kilmans  than Paolo Di Canios and Lucas Paquetas

No way Paqueta's comparable to Di Canio, if that's what you're implying. Even in terms of their respective antics with the ref.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

he's the type of luxury player that we can do without right now. Yes he can make passes that score you goals and win you games  

In his last 94 matches in 2 and a half seasons he has made 7 assists and just 3 of those games we won - Luton, Wolves and Ten Hags woeful Man Utd. That's not just bad, it's horrific end product. 

As good as he was for that 1 excellent assist in the ECL Final against Fiorentina (look where they are now), it's a myth he's some kind of quality creative goal making Footballer at the top level.

Living off hype and showboating style rather than substance to go with it. The likes of Di Canio and Payet could actually back up their flair with consistent end product. Paqueta does it once in a blue moon years apart.

Yep

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

he's the type of luxury player that we can do without right now. Yes he can make passes that score you goals and win you games but we need him to work hard and keep the ball and not lose it and put a brittle defence like ours under pressure by losing it, especially given out predicament. We should have sold him in retrospect. I wonder if there is any legal blowback on the FA whose years long dithering on his betting scandal has seen his value likely plummet to under half what Man City were once going to pay. I reckon we'd be lucky to get 20M for him in a relegation fire sale. 

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He's a  match of the day effort  ...at best









. ...at best 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

[quote=Gank post_id=502581 time=1765743715 user_id=32853]
He also played the most impressive pass of the entire match, the through ball to Bowen who lazily didn't bother getting onside properly so the goal was chalked off, which will have delighted you and your assist stats for Paqueta.
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[justify]Paqueta's  stats are pretty damning over his time at the club ...and that's being generous .
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[Massive Attack]

he's the type of luxury player that we can do without right now. Yes he can make passes that score you goals and win you games  

In his last 94 matches in 2 and a half seasons he has made 7 assists and just 3 of those games we won - Luton, Wolves and Ten Hags woeful Man Utd. That's not just bad, it's horrific end product. 

As good as he was for that 1 excellent assist in the ECL Final against Fiorentina (look where they are now), it's a myth he's some kind of quality creative goal making Footballer at the top level.

Living off hype and showboating style rather than substance to go with it. The likes of Di Canio and Payet could actually back up their flair with consistent end product. Paqueta does it once in a blue moon years apart.

[nychammer]

he's the type of luxury player that we can do without right now. Yes he can make passes that score you goals and win you games but we need him to work hard and keep the ball and not lose it and put a brittle defence like ours under pressure by losing it, especially given out predicament. We should have sold him in retrospect. I wonder if there is any legal blowback on the FA whose years long dithering on his betting scandal has seen his value likely plummet to under half what Man City were once going to pay. I reckon we'd be lucky to get 20M for him in a relegation fire sale.