West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[Mad Dog]

That and hes a money grabbing lying midget whore who sold our ground to feed his wallet, ego and self delusion

[threesixty]

Sullivans weird obsession with not approaching managers in contract is why we are here.
 

[stubbo-admin]

Something to remember about Moyes...

In reality it was Sullivan that wanted him out.  The fan base was split.  Moyes had final say on all transfers which Sullivan didn't like.  And fans don't offer contracts, owners do.  The guy that wanted him out and made it happen was the poisonous little dwarf in charge.

And in terms of 'be careful what you wish for':

1. No one wished for Lopetegui
2. No one wished for Potter
3. No one wished for Nuno

Moyes was offered a deal...where he reported to Steidten.  He didn't fancy that...Sullivan knew he wouldn't...Moyes was very clear knowing Sullivan's reputation, that his contract would state he and he alone had decision making powers over signings.  Sullivan got rid. 

Then he got someone in who wasn't wanted by Steidten and who DIDN'T REPORT TO STEIDTEN.  Showing the Moyes contract offer was about forcing Moyes out...never changing the structure of the Club. 

Sullivan clearly wanted back on in on transfers....I wonder why....

Steidten then had his job undermined by the allowance of the manager and Sullivan to recruit off their own backs. 

Summerville, AWB, Guido, Kilman...none of them identified by Steidten or the team he put in place. 

Sullivan also refused to go the extra mile for Duran (a few mil)...so we end up with Fullkrug as a last minute 'we have to get someone' signing.  Even tough Duran has since proved to be a bit of a cսnt...he'd have scored goals and we'd have turned a profit.

So Lopetegui goes AND Steidten goes....and what do you have...Sullivan back in full control.  When you look back...Sullivan has been behind this disaster every step of the way.

So when people say 'be careful what you wished for'...the only guy that wished for any of this is Sullivan. 

None of the fans wished for any of these things.

[Massive Attack]

Before Moyes left we were warned " be carful what you wish for ! ". We finished 9th that season. Up rocks Loppy and we are 13th when he gets the tin tack. Next we finish 14th under Potter. Now under Nuno we are floundering at 18th with relegation staring right at us. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

Moyes started this rot, you fucking no mark

Mind you l did warn you all to be carful for what you wish for

I was always careful for wishing Moyes was sacked and that we went for Emery at the time. Unfortunately Villas Board are far more ambitious than Sullivan who resists stumping up any compo. We then compounded it further by missing the boat on Glasner who was out of work at the same time we continued limping on with Moyes till his contract finally ran out.

[62Hammer]

The football under Moyes was simply boring. at least after the first season or so, and I'm glad he went. What's unbelievable is that we managed to replace him with three managers even worse and possibly even more boring. So no, I don't wish he was still here, I wish we had different owners who had the slightest idea what they are doing.

[XKhammer]

Before Moyes left we were warned " be carful what you wish for ! ". We finished 9th that season. Up rocks Loppy and we are 13th when he gets the tin tack. Next we finish 14th under Potter. Now under Nuno we are floundering at 18th with relegation staring right at us. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

Moyes started this rot, you fucking no mark

You seem to be forgetting 3 wonderful European campaigns under Moyes

Mind you l did warn you all to be carful for what you wish for

[Mad Ferret]

Established PL clubs that end up going down tend to fare better than clubs that just come up for 1 or 2 years before going back down.

Newcastle, Villa etc.

[aldgate]

Only Ipswich of the three relegated clubs last year look like they have a chance of going back up straight away which doesn't bode well.........

[Lato]

Before Moyes left we were warned " be carful what you wish for ! ". We finished 9th that season. Up rocks Loppy and we are 13th when he gets the tin tack. Next we finish 14th under Potter. Now under Nuno we are floundering at 18th with relegation staring right at us. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

Moyes started this rot, you fucking no mark.

Course he did........that is my point!

[Mad Dog]

Of the 3 keepers areola is easily our best.  Hes not prefer but has kept us in a LOT of games this season.

If he had competent centre backs he'd be lass of an issue as he wont have as much pressure.

Either way though he wont be around next season

[El Scorchio]

Or maybe the board should have backed Moyes after he won the trophy, the way they did Lopi 12 months later and seen if we really could have progressed forward. 

 

To be fair, money was spent. Kudus, Alvarez, JWP and Mav all came in. Trouble was that the money was in retrospect spent very poorly and clearly not all by Moyes. Kudus at least we made SOME money on and in retrospect it doesn't look a TERRIBLE deal now even though it seemed bad business at the time. Alvarez and JWP for one reason or another both turned out to be expensive disasters and huge wastes of money. Mav is just bang average and should be no more than a sub.
To not absolve Moyes though, JWP was clearly his choice even if none of the others were, and it was a shit, short termist one. If Stiedten got Kudus, then he's the only one to come out with even a crumb of credit.

 

We made a transfer profit though, Appreciate most of that was Rice, he should have been backed, big. 

 

 

He was though. 145 million Euros were spent on those four players. They just all turned out to be failures. Partly down to Moyes, partly not.

[Mad Ferret]

Get Fab fit and have him in there till the end of the season.

He might even be good for one more season in the Championship.

[El Scorchio]

Give Mads a go now let's see what he's got.

'A number of howlers in him' I expect is the answer.

[Mad Ferret]

The other thing about this whole moyes myth is that he left a year after the cup win

Sp*rs sacked ange days after winning the euro Cup and giving them champions league and that never gets mentioned 

ok for those cunts but little west ham need to stay in their lane

Yeah and Thomas Frank is doing so great.

[ragingbull]

Give Mads a go now let's see what he's got.

[Council Scum]

Moyes should have walked away with the Conference League trophy
As I get bored of explaining to outsiders he lost 20 of 38 in his second last season & conceded 74 goals with 30% possession in his last 
0-6 v Arsenal 
0-5 v Chelsea & Fulham
2-5 v Palace etc etc

As said the problem wasn’t him going it was Sullivan appointing 3 abysmal managers to follow him

Or maybe the board should have backed Moyes after he won the trophy, the way they did Lopi 12 months later and seen if we really could have progressed forward. 

 

To be fair, money was spent. Kudus, Alvarez, JWP and Mav all came in. Trouble was that the money was in retrospect spent very poorly and clearly not all by Moyes. Kudus at least we made SOME money on and in retrospect it doesn't look a TERRIBLE deal now even though it seemed bad business at the time. Alvarez and JWP for one reason or another both turned out to be expensive disasters and huge wastes of money. Mav is just bang average and should be no more than a sub.
To not absolve Moyes though, JWP was clearly his choice even if none of the others were, and it was a shit, short termist one. If Stiedten got Kudus, then he's the only one to come out with even a crumb of credit.

 

 

We made a transfer profit though, Appreciate most of that was Rice, he should have been backed, big. 

[Mad Dog]

The other thing about this whole moyes myth is that he left a year after the cup win

Sp*rs sacked ange days after winning the euro Cup and giving them champions league and that never gets mentioned 

ok for those cunts but little west ham need to stay in their lane

[El Scorchio]

Moyes should have walked away with the Conference League trophy
As I get bored of explaining to outsiders he lost 20 of 38 in his second last season & conceded 74 goals with 30% possession in his last 
0-6 v Arsenal 
0-5 v Chelsea & Fulham
2-5 v Palace etc etc

As said the problem wasn’t him going it was Sullivan appointing 3 abysmal managers to follow him

Or maybe the board should have backed Moyes after he won the trophy, the way they did Lopi 12 months later and seen if we really could have progressed forward. 

 

 

To be fair, money was spent. Kudus, Alvarez, JWP and Mav all came in. Trouble was that the money was in retrospect spent very poorly and clearly not all by Moyes. Kudus at least we made SOME money on and in retrospect it doesn't look a TERRIBLE deal now even though it seemed bad business at the time. Alvarez and JWP for one reason or another both turned out to be expensive disasters and huge wastes of money. Mav is just bang average and should be no more than a sub.
To not absolve Moyes though, JWP was clearly his choice even if none of the others were, and it was a shit, short termist one. If Stiedten got Kudus, then he's the only one to come out with even a crumb of credit.

[southbankbornnbred]

Not going to re-engage with the Moyes nonsense. His final season was abysmal at times. As many have already said, we’ve since appointed three abysmal managers - and it’s all because Sullivan is a no-nothing, cheapskate grifter of an owner who is incapable of making decisions that benefit the club (rather than himself).

We will continue to appoint shit managers, with short-term visions and little idea of how to tackle the toughest league in the world, until Sullivan goes - or hands over control of footballing matters.

Moyes, Lopetegui, Potter, Nuno…we’re in this shit - and we WILL be relegated - not because of the terrible managers. But because of the terrible owner who appoints them all. 

[Council Scum]

Moyes should have walked away with the Conference League trophy
As I get bored of explaining to outsiders he lost 20 of 38 in his second last season & conceded 74 goals with 30% possession in his last 
0-6 v Arsenal 
0-5 v Chelsea & Fulham
2-5 v Palace etc etc

As said the problem wasn’t him going it was Sullivan appointing 3 abysmal managers to follow him

Or maybe the board should have backed Moyes after he won the trophy, the way they did Lopi 12 months later and seen if we really could have progressed forward. 

[Vexed]

Before Moyes left we were warned " be carful what you wish for ! ". We finished 9th that season. Up rocks Loppy and we are 13th when he gets the tin tack. Next we finish 14th under Potter. Now under Nuno we are floundering at 18th with relegation staring right at us. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

Moyes started this rot, you fucking no mark

[Fauxstralian]

Moyes should have walked away with the Conference League trophy
As I get bored of explaining to outsiders he lost 20 of 38 in his second last season & conceded 74 goals with 30% possession in his last 
0-6 v Arsenal 
0-5 v Chelsea & Fulham
2-5 v Palace etc etc

As said the problem wasn’t him going it was Sullivan appointing 3 abysmal managers to follow him

[El Scorchio]

I can see Pablo staying given his modest career so far and he could be very good in the champ. Taty I cannot imagine will want that at all at the stage in his career he is. I shouldn't think it'll be hard to get a decent price for him unless he catches a really bad dose of 'west ham' before the end of the season.

[cup of tea]

I wonder what clauses (if any) were put in the two new strikers contracts when they signed. Presumably they aren't on mega money but there must be some stipulations in their contracts WHEN we are relegated? 

I am not going to judge them yet based on what I have seen so far butneedless to say I don't think they are going to be any sort of saviours ecen in the Championship 

[El Scorchio]

Yes.  But once a fucking gain moyes leaving is NOT the fuckign problem

The problem ia thay cսnt sullivan appointing a succession of worse and worse managers

Nobody (NOBODY) wanted lopetegi, his recruitment has ruined this team, he wanted that pathetic coward Kilman, steidten in hindsight wasnt as bad, but made some bad picks, potter has come in and somehow made things worse, then nuno has come into a club at the bottom and started digging even deeper.

I don't want to hear "moyes" again im sick of it

Absolutely. it was time for Moyes to go. The rot had started under him with his crazy squad management, transfer paralysis (I'm putting that mainly down to Sullivan interfering) and negativity BUT the problem as you say was not letting him go but rather appointing dreadful managers and making dreadful decisions afterwards. It boils my blood when outsiders say it's our own fault for Moyes leaving. It's not. It's Sullivan's fault for everything he did and didn't do subsequently.