West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[Sir Alf]

“Thats about it”. I meant

Nothing gonna change under this owner. Will only get worse now imo.

[Sir Alf]

Thats about Leroy.

RIP West Ham Disunited

[LeroysBoots]

The club have clearly thrown the towel in, the support of the manager has been shocking. We had one of the smallest squads anyway and since Jan 1st they have asset stripped the squad in readiness for the relegation. Fullkrug, JWP, Irving, Guillherme, Paqueta, Earthy, Rodriguez,  Marshall, all shipped out. 4 after today brought in. 2 non scoring strikers, a busted flush either and a defender who has not kicked a ball in the Prem all season. Sullivan is a cսnt of the highest order 

[Westham67]

I was not a regular at Upton Park since 1998, when my work took me all over the North of England and then overseas. From memory, in the second division, depending on who we were playing, the gate would be 19,000 to 25,000, but there was an atmosphere there. It wont be there at the London stadium when it's half full

[Far Cough UKunt]

Have to beat Burnley saturday and then a huge game v Bournemouth when teams around us have harder fixtures. 

Sadly though, if we can't keep a clean sheet we have no chance of staying up. 

I also suspect the Todibo red will be something we look back on. We simply can not afford at this point to lose him for 3 games. Thankfully is one of them Burton? 

Yep. one includes Burton.

So Todibo has gone for a Burton?

[Manuel]

Have to beat Burnley saturday and then a huge game v Bournemouth when teams around us have harder fixtures. 

Sadly though, if we can't keep a clean sheet we have no chance of staying up. 

I also suspect the Todibo red will be something we look back on. We simply can not afford at this point to lose him for 3 games. Thankfully is one of them Burton? 

Yep. one includes Burton.

[Rossal]

Have to beat Burnley saturday and then a huge game v Bournemouth when teams around us have harder fixtures. 

Sadly though, if we can't keep a clean sheet we have no chance of staying up. 

I also suspect the Todibo red will be something we look back on. We simply can not afford at this point to lose him for 3 games. Thankfully is one of them Burton? 

[Sir Alf]

Yeah seems like we get slapped down quickly to remind us not toget above our station Zico.

The whole problem we all know is the owners or in our case, the controlling owner which is David Sullivan. He is not qualified to run a business like West Ham, a modern era PL elite level football club. Its really that simple. Get the right leader ( doesnt have to be an investor and can be appointed) and we have a chance of getting out of this “Groundhog Day” style loop every decade or two. Easier said than done of course as we have seen plenty of owners do even worse than Sullivan. Im convinced he’s a narcissist and that is ultimately what prevents him from beimg successful in running the club. He wants success but also has to have adoration and appreciation ( narcissistic supply or “fuel”). He cannot let go. One of the primary aims of narcissism or NPD is “control” unfortunately. He is unable to recognise he is the biggest problem and likely believes he is doing a great job.  Its the players, the managers, Steidten, Macaulay, Kretinski’s and of course the fans fault why its all gone “tits up” for a second time under his stewardship.  All very sad really for everyone connected to West Ham including Sullivan.  But we all know, some of us consciously, some unconsciously ( in denial etc ), that real footballing success, next level or whatever we want to call it, is impossible under the current owners. Accept that, try and hopefully enjoy the odd good period of results.

Anyway, Im the best part of 10 years younger than him and like many of us on WHO, we just have to hope to outlive him. But knowing our luck he’ll go on well into his 100s. 

[twoleftfeet]

We have been a candidate for being relegated most seasons in my life time ( 65 - 70 years ). We have finished top 8 in successive seasons only a handful of times across the last 70 years.  We have never reached our potential like say Villa, Everton ( pre PL era ), Spurs ( pre PL era ), Chelsea, Arsenal the North West clubs etc and that is now even more difficult in the TV money / commercial revenue era football has been in for 25-30 years.

Sullivan and Gold wanted / do want success but their hubris/egos/narcissism meant they over promised and  under delivered. But that is because, in the current era, football clubs are a business more than anything else. A brand not the factory teams of the industrial age that were lost forever in the 80s. Cearns, Pratt, Brown all underachieved because they wouldnt spend. And that was a huge factor back then.  Since the 90s its about making the most revenue and spending it well and where long term planning and a business approach matters much more.  

West Ham are in fact a failing or failed business. Our latest relegation has come because of what undermines most businesses regardless of industry. Lack of leadership, insight, long term planning and above all else the ability to listen to others.  Success comes from that and executing a well thought out long term plan.

Sullivan and Gold, want / wanted football success for West Ham but simply did not, do not and will never have the leadership qualities, foresight, vision, insight, know how on how to achieve it. Sullivan tbf has spent money but because of the aforementioned issues its all been wasted and totally ineffectual. 

This season its finally caught up. The xmas period was where we accelerated towards what will very likely be a relegation season. This Jan transfer window was the last chance at trying to avoid something that really traces back to the second half of the 2022/23 season in the league under Moyes.  The PL has got stronger every season and we have relied on there being 3 weaker teams. That has been the strategy. Short term, make it up as you go recruitment, spending. No modern infrastructure ( organisation and fixed assets ), an owner who has been totally left behind and unaware what needs to be done to modernise the club and / or simply refuses to cede control.

If a miracle occured and West Ham survived, it would be nothing more than a one season or short term reprieve. Sullivan is incapable of learning because he doesnt think he makes mistakes. His narcissism tells him its eveyone elses fault.  

We fans, of course, will keep supporting the club as its an emotional tie to our past, our families, heritage etc. We just have to hope some multi billionaires with business sense or sense enough to get in professionals and experience, buy the club before we die.  Sullivan will pop his clogs eventually so there is hope.

Only thing we can all do is try to outlive him but until then be prepared for more underachievement and disappointment. 

[zico]

Sir Alf - I find it strange that in my lifetime supporting the club failure and relegation strangely seem to follow a period of success, certainly as a club we have failed to build on a period of success. 
75 Cup Final - Relegation in 1977–78. 
85/86 we finish third - Relegation in 1988–89
01/02 finish 7th - Relegation in 02/03
05/06 9th and a Cup Final - Relegation 10/11
22/23 Europa Winners -  ??? 25/26

You could name other years when we have done ok but not built on it, under Sullivan obviously Slaven's first season stands out..  I'm sure it happens to other clubs as well but for us it's always bad recruitment or a lack of it.  Srangely the only periods of stability came over years where we didn't really have much success but were always fairly safe in the League and that came under Harry and  Allardyce ironically total opposites of the football entertainment spectrum! and Moyes until towards the end.

[Sir Alf]

We have been a candidate for being relegated most seasons in my life time ( 65 - 70 years ). We have finished top 8 in successive seasons only a handful of times across the last 70 years.  We have never reached our potential like say Villa, Everton ( pre PL era ), Spurs ( pre PL era ), Chelsea, Arsenal the North West clubs etc and that is now even more difficult in the TV money / commercial revenue era football has been in for 25-30 years.

Sullivan and Gold wanted / do want success but their hubris/egos/narcissism meant they over promised and  under delivered. But that is because, in the current era, football clubs are a business more than anything else. A brand not the factory teams of the industrial age that were lost forever in the 80s. Cearns, Pratt, Brown all underachieved because they wouldnt spend. And that was a huge factor back then.  Since the 90s its about making the most revenue and spending it well and where long term planning and a business approach matters much more.  

West Ham are in fact a failing or failed business. Our latest relegation has come because of what undermines most businesses regardless of industry. Lack of leadership, insight, long term planning and above all else the ability to listen to others.  Success comes from that and executing a well thought out long term plan.

Sullivan and Gold, want / wanted football success for West Ham but simply did not, do not and will never have the leadership qualities, foresight, vision, insight, know how on how to achieve it. Sullivan tbf has spent money but because of the aforementioned issues its all been wasted and totally ineffectual. 

This season its finally caught up. The xmas period was where we accelerated towards what will very likely be a relegation season. This Jan transfer window was the last chance at trying to avoid something that really traces back to the second half of the 2022/23 season in the league under Moyes.  The PL has got stronger every season and we have relied on there being 3 weaker teams. That has been the strategy. Short term, make it up as you go recruitment, spending. No modern infrastructure ( organisation and fixed assets ), an owner who has been totally left behind and unaware what needs to be done to modernise the club and / or simply refuses to cede control.

If a miracle occured and West Ham survived, it would be nothing more than a one season or short term reprieve. Sullivan is incapable of learning because he doesnt think he makes mistakes. His narcissism tells him its eveyone elses fault.  

We fans, of course, will keep supporting the club as its an emotional tie to our past, our families, heritage etc. We just have to hope some multi billionaires with business sense or sense enough to get in professionals and experience, buy the club before we die.  Sullivan will pop his clogs eventually so there is hope.

Only thing we can all do is try to outlive him but until then be prepared for more underachievement and disappointment. 

[threesixty]

Looking at fixtures again we probably have 6 fixtures we can win from the remaining games. Palace look like they could win between 3 and 6 as well based on form. The more I look at it we’d have to go on an unbelievable run and Palace can’t win more than 2 of their remaining games for us to be survive. I just don’t know if that’s possible… it looks crazy. 

we really have to forget about drawing any games and just go for a win all the time. Draws will not be worth it for us. 
 

[Manuel]

Was shocked at how bad Palace were, and Brennan Johnson is a shocking footballer. A small lifeline here maybe, IF we beat Burnley we are likely to be 3 or 4 points behind the 17th placed team, or teams.

We have to go to palace  and beat them to stay up 

I believe they have two upcoming home games against Wolves and Burnley, but they were shocking today.

[threesixty]

Interesting that of the teams from Palace (14th) down us and Forest have the best form from the last 5 games. 
from a projection point of view it looks more like it’s between us and Palace/Leeds and not Forest. And if we continue with our 5 game form we will stay up. 

I suppose normally the transfer window is where you can change form or you change manager to change form. Our transfer window has been pretty positive really. 

I think I’ve got over yesterday and trying to take the positives. No point in being negative really. If we can play how we played in the 1st half against the Burnley’s etc we will be ok. 

my only worry is that our whole form is dependent on our 1st team players. Losing Todibo is a massive blow as I just don’t see anyone slotting in to play as good as him (esp not Kilman). 

I think Nuno’s big decision is whether he should repurpose someone like soucek to play CB rather than Kilman. That would be bloody brave of him but I just don’t trust Kilman in our defence. 

Thats being said had this type of positivity when we went to wolves and I can’t believe we got done over there like that. It’s the hope that kills, it really does.  

[Tomshardware]

We aren't dead and buried yet but fail to beat Burnley we will be.  

[nychammer]

Was shocked at how bad Palace were, and Brennan Johnson is a shocking footballer. A small lifeline here maybe, IF we beat Burnley we are likely to be 3 or 4 points behind the 17th placed team, or teams.

We have to go to palace  and beat them to stay up 

[Manuel]

Was shocked at how bad Palace were, and Brennan Johnson is a shocking footballer. A small lifeline here maybe, IF we beat Burnley we are likely to be 3 or 4 points behind the 17th placed team, or teams.

[Fauxstralian]

Forest & Palace draw
Leeds v Forest on Friday , again a draw might be best 
But we MUST win at Burnley to keep those two anywhere near close

[Metroplex]

We are 6 points behind Leeds and still play them at home last game of the season. Win that game and we are only 3 points off the pace.


 

Eh?

[gpike]

Palace Forest 1-1 best result for us keeps them both in the mix. Palace were woeful 

[Far Cough UKunt]

We need more or less to win one in every two which is a mighty tall order.

We will definitely have to score a bare minimum of two and possibly three goals to win as we always concede regardless of the opposition.

 If we can't beat Burnley then it's game up if we do then the Man united game becomes a key fixture and one that could if we win see us back in the mix.

My head says yes but head says we won't be playing PL football next season.

We need someone to go into freefall to help us out.

It's all ands ifs and buts, in my view we're down, especially with crackhead at the helm.

[Gary Strodders shank]

We need more or less to win one in every two which is a mighty tall order.

We will definitely have to score a bare minimum of two and possibly three goals to win as we always concede regardless of the opposition.

 If we can't beat Burnley then it's game up if we do then the Man united game becomes a key fixture and one that could if we win see us back in the mix.

My head says yes but head says we won't be playing PL football next season.

We need someone to go into freefall to help us out.

[Nutsin]

We are 6 points behind Leeds and still play them at home last game of the season. Win that game and we are only 3 points off the pace.

As disappointing as yesterdays result was we have definitely improved under Nuno. 

It’s still all to play for but we have got to learn how to close games out. 

Gonna be a nervy couple of months, usually one team goes on a bit of a run hopefully that’s us. Although I wouldn’t bank on it.

onwards and upwards !

[AKA ERNIE]

We are done now , just can't see 6/7 wins from last 14 games.
 

[gpike]

Palace equalise forest down to 10 men