West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[El Scorchio]

What I liked was when asked which one player he managed would he put in the team right now to help us, with virtually no hesitation he said Paolo Di Canio. Completely agree.

Rio second choice- that's obvious too.

[Massive Attack]

A good point he did make was the fact that we could and probably should have scored three or four when we were on top, as well as mentioning the miss late on.  Missing guilt edged chances is as bad as letting a few in.

If only we had a fox in the box who would bury such chances if on the pitch long enough getting in the right positions. Redknapp is many things but he does know what he's talking about in the game. He does that polite backhanded compliment but if you pay attention to his subtle opinions, he would often make the point that's needed like you say about not inviting unnecessary pressure.

[theaxeman]

It's all about opinion. I was listening to Pardew on Sunday and he felt Nuno made a couple of tactical errors.

[zico]

Saw the interview and felt Harry was playing devil's advocate a bit here.  Didn't seem to want to criticise Nuno or Kilman but he did subtly say that bringing another defender on naturally invites pressure.  A good point he did make was the fact that we could and probably should have scored three or four when we were on top, as well as mentioning the miss late on.  Missing guilt edged chances is as bad as letting a few in.

[Manuel]

Yep, agree with 'Arry on that.

Can't really blame Nuno. He set us up brilliantly in that first half, and even at the start of the 2nd, we were going for a 3rd.

And should've gone 3-2 up at the end before they went and won it.

How come you never get bored? Weird.

[Rossal]

To be fair, I was listening to Arry talking to Geo about the match and he said that from his experience as a manager, it didn't really matter what Nuno did or didn't do and it was Chelsea putting the pressure on us and driving us back regardless. Geo definitely tried to lead him into saying bringing Kilman on was a mistake, but he said it wouldn't have mattered whether he bought on a defender or an attacker. The tide had turned.

The issue with Nuno is he invites pressure to the shittest part of our team. The defence......especially one with Kilman in it.  The way to relieve pressure was to stop them coming at us, by getting stuck in again in the midfield with fresh legs and continuing to press high with fresh legs up top.  Now the fresh legs up top bit is a no go due to the shit squad planning but he could have put some legs in midfield to get us 10-15 yards higher. 

Maybe maybe not. Like I said in that particular match, Redknapp's opinion which despite his age I do consider more valid than ours, was that it wouldn't have mattered when he was asked what he would have done. And that's from a manager who was pretty attack minded. 

The real issue is having a squad so shit that it's Kilman who has to come on. 

I dont mind ol Arry but i disagree with that 

[El Scorchio]

To be fair, I was listening to Arry talking to Geo about the match and he said that from his experience as a manager, it didn't really matter what Nuno did or didn't do and it was Chelsea putting the pressure on us and driving us back regardless. Geo definitely tried to lead him into saying bringing Kilman on was a mistake, but he said it wouldn't have mattered whether he bought on a defender or an attacker. The tide had turned.

The issue with Nuno is he invites pressure to the shittest part of our team. The defence......especially one with Kilman in it.  The way to relieve pressure was to stop them coming at us, by getting stuck in again in the midfield with fresh legs and continuing to press high with fresh legs up top.  Now the fresh legs up top bit is a no go due to the shit squad planning but he could have put some legs in midfield to get us 10-15 yards higher. 

Maybe maybe not. Like I said in that particular match, Redknapp's opinion which despite his age I do consider more valid than ours, was that it wouldn't have mattered when he was asked what he would have done. And that's from a manager who was pretty attack minded. 

The real issue is having a squad so shit that it's Kilman who has to come on. 

[Rossal]

To be fair, I was listening to Arry talking to Geo about the match and he said that from his experience as a manager, it didn't really matter what Nuno did or didn't do and it was Chelsea putting the pressure on us and driving us back regardless. Geo definitely tried to lead him into saying bringing Kilman on was a mistake, but he said it wouldn't have mattered whether he bought on a defender or an attacker. The tide had turned.

The issue with Nuno is he invites pressure to the shittest part of our team. The defence......especially one with Kilman in it.  The way to relieve pressure was to stop them coming at us, by getting stuck in again in the midfield with fresh legs and continuing to press high with fresh legs up top.  Now the fresh legs up top bit is a no go due to the shit squad planning but he could have put some legs in midfield to get us 10-15 yards higher. 

[Mad Ferret]

Yep, agree with 'Arry on that.

Can't really blame Nuno. He set us up brilliantly in that first half, and even at the start of the 2nd, we were going for a 3rd.

And should've gone 3-2 up at the end before they went and won it.

[El Scorchio]

To be fair, I was listening to Arry talking to Geo about the match and he said that from his experience as a manager, it didn't really matter what Nuno did or didn't do and it was Chelsea putting the pressure on us and driving us back regardless. Geo definitely tried to lead him into saying bringing Kilman on was a mistake, but he said it wouldn't have mattered whether he bought on a defender or an attacker. The tide had turned.

[Grumpster]

Issue is always gonna be nuno's negative tactics.

Unlucky not being 3 or 4 up on saturday, but to go so fucking defensive so early was ridiculous.

99% of us knew the game was lost as soon as he bought that useless cսnt kilman on.

Play to our strengths and we have a chance and our strengths are certainly not defending, even Burnley have better centre backs.

[El Scorchio]

We should beat Burnley and indeed we must. However our already weak defence is now an enormous question mark. Kilman and Mav together puts the shits right up me. Do we start Disasi, if he's even ready to start? Do we plug in Magassa or Soucek there? You'd have to be tempted.

[Westham67]

3 against Sunderland in the first half and 2 against Chelsea in the second half, so I think we will have too much for Burnley

[Rossal]

We have failed every “biggest game of the season” so far and the run of them around xmas.

On what planet does anyone think we will be mentally or physically strong enough to overcome Burnley with their crowd feeling its genuinely a chance for a rare win. 

If its purely a law if probability thing fine but can anyone explain how we use our painfully thin squad to not materially weaken when we have to sub our front 2 and others which we gave to do most games.  Not using Potts and Magassa and the legs of someone like Mayers  or KWP seems to be the only option not tried by Nuno. But even if we do that, not having Todibo and having to play Kilman feels like a death sentence?

Come on Alf, its a Burnley team who havent won their last 7 at home.  Our last two away performances have been decent, especially the first half on sat.  Play like that it should be good enough for 3 points.  Long as Nuno doesnt sit back.  

[Sir Alf]

We have failed every “biggest game of the season” so far and the run of them around xmas.

On what planet does anyone think we will be mentally or physically strong enough to overcome Burnley with their crowd feeling its genuinely a chance for a rare win. 

If its purely a law if probability thing fine but can anyone explain how we use our painfully thin squad to not materially weaken when we have to sub our front 2 and others which we gave to do most games.  Not using Potts and Magassa and the legs of someone like Mayers  or KWP seems to be the only option not tried by Nuno. But even if we do that, not having Todibo and having to play Kilman feels like a death sentence?

[stubbo-admin]

A win against Burnley and we will be on the coattails of either Leeds or Forest or both if they draw on Friday evening.    

We've got to outperform Leeds by 4 points between now and the last day of the season to have it in our hands to stay up.

Obviously we'd then lose that last game...but to at least be in the running on the last day feels acheivable.

[Russ of the BML]

Burnley is now possibly our biggest game of the season. Just to set up the next game which will then be the biggest game of the season and so on and so forth. 

[Mad Ferret]

I didn’t realise that we have gone 21 league games without a clean sheet plus the 5th worse defensive record in Europe.

Phenomenal. 

That's why we snapped up Disasi mate.

[twoleftfeet]

I didn’t realise that we have gone 21 league games without a clean sheet plus the 5th worse defensive record in Europe.

Phenomenal. 

[Tomshardware]

A win against Burnley and we will be on the coattails of either Leeds or Forest or both if they draw on Friday evening.    

[THUNDERCLINT]

Got a load of grief a month ago for calling it an asset strip and Sullivan happy to go down whilst pocketing cash. 

After that window leaving our squad thinner and a negative net spend.....

Where is the intent to stay up and where is the money?    Anyone care to explain..... 


 

He threw in the towel after Forest.

I hate myself for saying it, but from a financial perspective he was probably right, no point digging this hole any deeper.

[Rossal]

Got a load of grief a month ago for calling it an asset strip and Sullivan happy to go down whilst pocketing cash. 

After that window leaving our squad thinner and a negative net spend.....

Where is the intent to stay up and where is the money?    Anyone care to explain..... 

 

[Manuel]

"In West Ham's case, despite a gut-wrenching 3-2 defeat by Chelsea on Saturday night, the numbers make for slightly better reading, with the Hammers' chance of safety rated at 17.06%.

With a game against strugglers Burnley to come next week, West Ham - who looked dead and buried a month ago - are now starting to play with the freedom of a side with nothing to lose and everything to gain"

The beeb puts a stat and a bit of hope.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/arti ... dgjj6e31mo

There is no doubt at all we are looking a lot better right now, and if we carry on playing as we are we WILL win games, the question is will we win enough. We will know a lot more come Saturday tea time on our survival chances.

[Mex Martillo]

"In West Ham's case, despite a gut-wrenching 3-2 defeat by Chelsea on Saturday night, the numbers make for slightly better reading, with the Hammers' chance of safety rated at 17.06%.

With a game against strugglers Burnley to come next week, West Ham - who looked dead and buried a month ago - are now starting to play with the freedom of a side with nothing to lose and everything to gain"

The beeb puts a stat and a bit of hope.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/arti ... dgjj6e31mo

[Manuel]

I've long thought Leeds would be the one's to catch realistically. They are the newly promoted Club with a manager who will feel the pressure and someone who has struggled in the past to keep them in the division (Leeds and Norwich) so he doesn't have the know-how, Dyche does who also has a better set up at Forest. We play them last game of the season at the cesspit and I think is our best bet of staying up. What I don't want to see Friday is Leeds winning, a draw or Forest winning would feel the better outcome for me.

What a desperate fucking mess though to be in thanks to Nuno and the Owners. 

Exactly what I think, it's Leeds or no-one. All this talk about Palace and Spurs is just fanciful. They have a tough Feb and we have them at home still. We do not want them to win on Friday.