Bowen is past it

[Mad Ferret]

What on earth has happened to him.

Absolutely shocking once again today. Do feel like he’s past it at this point.

[Mad Ferret]

Bowen past it? No chance. Class is permanent. May need to adapt his game as he ages but he will still find the net regularly regardless. Hopefully Nuno tries him alongside Taty tonight so we can revert back to the 442 system. 

And who is playing right midfield in this line-up?

Traore 

[Manuel]

Bowen past it? No chance. Class is permanent. May need to adapt his game as he ages but he will still find the net regularly regardless. Hopefully Nuno tries him alongside Taty tonight so we can revert back to the 442 system. 

And who is playing right midfield in this line-up?

KWP.

[onsideman]

Bowen past it? No chance. Class is permanent. May need to adapt his game as he ages but he will still find the net regularly regardless. Hopefully Nuno tries him alongside Taty tonight so we can revert back to the 442 system. 

And who is playing right midfield in this line-up?

[dealcanvey]

Bowen past it? No chance. Class is permanent. May need to adapt his game as he ages but he will still find the net regularly regardless. Hopefully Nuno tries him alongside Taty tonight so we can revert back to the 442 system. 

[fraser]

I don't disagree with that, but it's a fine balancing act isn't it as you also sacrifice some of the midfield if the two up front can't defend effectively from the front... Will be interesting to see how he lines up tonight. I just feel he doesn't trust anyone to do the job competently. 

[Hermit Road]

You can either have excuses or success and whichever way you cut it, loads of players look much better when there are two up front and it isn’t just because they both press, having two also occupies defenders who have to account for them which means less defenders accounting for Bowen and Summerville. In my view, getting the best out of them should be his main priority as when they’re effective, we are very threatening.

 

[fraser]

Bowen and Summerville look great when we have two up front in the middle occupying defenders and creating space. 

Summerville was totally ineffective until we started that after Christmas. 

The two of them have looked worse in the last couple of games because of an inexplicable decision to revert to a system which got us in the mess in the first place and away from a system that looked like getting out of it. 

I hope he sorts himself out and drops Magassa for Wilson.





 

 

Wilson can't press from the front like Pablo does it isn't as simple as just having the extra body up there is it. 

Not sure that it's too hard to teach a second forward to press a bit and yes, given how shit Pablo is in general, I think it is as simple as having an extra body in there because an extra body is something defenders have to occupy themselves with. 

Or we could keep playing a midfielder who can't trap a ball or pass 5 yards.

Nuno clearly wants to play with two up because he signed two forwards to do so and did ASAP. 
Yet before he signed them he didn't and when one got injured he stopped. He can't just teach Wilson to press he doesn't have the legs for it and would be blowing  out of his arse. Pablo may be shit but he was a vital component and every game he started we were leading while he was on the pitch.. It can't be a coincidence and as you have said yourself we looked much better. So he has tried to replace it with more athletic players in Potts and Mugassa who can run and press... It's not ideal of course but it isn't inexplicable.. It's cause our squad is paper thin and I'm pretty sure if he could just teach someone he would have done. 

[Hermit Road]

Bowen and Summerville look great when we have two up front in the middle occupying defenders and creating space. 

Summerville was totally ineffective until we started that after Christmas. 

The two of them have looked worse in the last couple of games because of an inexplicable decision to revert to a system which got us in the mess in the first place and away from a system that looked like getting out of it. 

I hope he sorts himself out and drops Magassa for Wilson.




 

 

Wilson can't press from the front like Pablo does it isn't as simple as just having the extra body up there is it. 

Not sure that it's too hard to teach a second forward to press a bit and yes, given how shit Pablo is in general, I think it is as simple as having an extra body in there because an extra body is something defenders have to occupy themselves with. 

Or we could keep playing a midfielder who can't trap a ball or pass 5 yards.

[Pi Alpha Nu]

What on earth has happened to him.

Absolutely shocking once again today. Do feel like he’s past it at this point.

Fuck off!! what a load of bollocks. Go back to your own clubs site afuckingcockonabeachball.com.

[Massive Attack]

A bit like a council estate Father Christmas 

[Fauxstralian]

I wouldn’t call him stocky
And he certainly isn’t a lump like Rooney
Rooney was at his peak at 18 & currently looks 15 years older than his actual age. A bit like a council estate Father Christmas 

[zico]

He is 29 and shorter and stocky, do those types burn out quicker pace wise, like Rooney did?  I think he may have lost a bit of pace but when you cut inside so much defenders do know what you are going to do and quite often he has at least two around him.  I suspect he will go in the summer even if we stay up although can't see a top side come in for him.  Last opportunity possiby to get a decent amount for him as once he hits 30 you aren't going to get top dollar.  Would love to see him stay but  can't see it.

[Pub Bigot]

Stubbo, I don’t agree he’s lost a yard of pace. What I’ve noticed is that he cuts in less and spends a considerable amount of time defending, pressing and attempting to win the ball back. 

Pablo and Taty create space for him and Summerville by occupying the defenders. 

I think we’ve relied far too much on Bowen and because his productivity is less than we expect, we’re theorising too much what he’s lost. 

Players seem to be playing on much later than they used do, with many maintaining a career into their last 30s/early 40s, so I personally think it’s unlikely he’s lost a yard. 

He’s probably knackered. 

[fraser]

Bowen and Summerville look great when we have two up front in the middle occupying defenders and creating space. 

Summerville was totally ineffective until we started that after Christmas. 

The two of them have looked worse in the last couple of games because of an inexplicable decision to revert to a system which got us in the mess in the first place and away from a system that looked like getting out of it. 

I hope he sorts himself out and drops Magassa for Wilson.



 

 

 

Wilson can't press from the front like Pablo does it isn't as simple as just having the extra body up there is it. 

[stubbo]

I would argu that Bowen is 'beond his peak'.  I think he's lost half a yard of pace over the last year or so.  Doesn't mean he's past it, and he's clearly struggling for his best form, but IMO one of the physical assets that he relied on isn't quite what it was.

He's shown signs earlier in the season that he can adapt to that, but it will likely make him less effective as time goes on.  His longevity will then be defined by his fotball intelligence as that pace over the first 5 yards diminishes.

But no one should have anything bad to say about Jarrod. The lads been as solid a servant to this club as anyone could hope for, and it will be a sad day when he's no longer here.

[Massive Attack]

EXACTLY the kind of thread you'd expect from a visiting Spurs fan on a wind-up.

Pub Bigot..

[Pub Bigot]

How have we got to a place that Bowen is past it and not just out of form?

[Hermit Road]

Bowen and Summerville look great when we have two up front in the middle occupying defenders and creating space. 

Summerville was totally ineffective until we started that after Christmas. 

The two of them have looked worse in the last couple of games because of an inexplicable decision to revert to a system which got us in the mess in the first place and away from a system that looked like getting out of it. 

I hope he sorts himself out and drops Magassa for Wilson.

 

[Tomshardware]

He's not past it at all.

The poor bloke has lost some of his enthusiasm but that's perfectly understandable considering he's been busting his balls for years only to see a selection of over-priced donkeys who are only fit for the glue factory line up alongside him.

Scott Parker gave off the same vibes towards the end of his final season. In the end it all gets too much to bear.

Nah, I'm not having that at all, way too convenient and far from professional. Yes, he doesn't need pelters because he's been off it, but he's an elite footballer, a pro and club captain, in that world you don't just down tools, which is basically what you are suggesting, and is a bit of an insult to him to suggest that.

Agreed, one thing you can never accuse Bowen off is not giving his all.  Same goes for Scott Parker who ran himself into the ground for us in that last season with us.

[Manuel]

He's not past it at all.

The poor bloke has lost some of his enthusiasm but that's perfectly understandable considering he's been busting his balls for years only to see a selection of over-priced donkeys who are only fit for the glue factory line up alongside him.

Scott Parker gave off the same vibes towards the end of his final season. In the end it all gets too much to bear.

Nah, I'm not having that at all, way too convenient and far from professional. Yes, he doesn't need pelters because he's been off it, but he's an elite footballer, a pro and club captain, in that world you don't just down tools, which is basically what you are suggesting, and is a bit of an insult to him to suggest that.

[eusebiovic]

He's not past it at all.

The poor bloke has lost some of his enthusiasm but that's perfectly understandable considering he's been busting his balls for years only to see a selection of over-priced donkeys who are only fit for the glue factory line up alongside him.

Scott Parker gave off the same vibes towards the end of his final season. In the end it all gets too much to bear.

[Eastside surge]

He’s not past it just having a dip in form in a season of struggle, don’t quite get this needs a break stuff from though we’re not in Europe and he gets rested for cup games, he’s a footballer that’s what they do !

[ATHammer]

No he isn't. He has been played into the ground by a hapless string of managers, not had a decent break in three years, and has been made captain which his personality is simply not suited too. All contribute to a poor run of form.
Good player, good bloke, needs a break as he is bang out of form.
Sadly shit ownership and managers have left us almost totally reliant on him so won't get the break, form may not return until he leaves and ridiculous threads like this will fuel the trash talk around one of our better players.. 

[scott_d]

EXACTLY the kind of thread you'd expect from a visiting Spurs fan on a wind-up.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Probably been getting sleepless nights with his twin babies - that sort of thing sounds like it should be a long way away from the life of an elite footballer but it can have a big impact. He looks jaded and it's affecting his timing and decision-making. I don't go along with the theory that he's looking for a move. The sad thing is that if his dip in form carries on, he's got no chance of going to the World Cup and he won't get a top club coming in for him.

You seriously think he's up in the middle of the night feeding the kids with a breast pump? 

Nope, that's Danny