West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[El Scorchio]

Give Mads a go now let's see what he's got.

'A number of howlers in him' I expect is the answer.

[Mad Ferret]

The other thing about this whole moyes myth is that he left a year after the cup win

Sp*rs sacked ange days after winning the euro Cup and giving them champions league and that never gets mentioned 

ok for those cunts but little west ham need to stay in their lane

Yeah and Thomas Frank is doing so great.

[ragingbull]

Give Mads a go now let's see what he's got.

[Council Scum]

Moyes should have walked away with the Conference League trophy
As I get bored of explaining to outsiders he lost 20 of 38 in his second last season & conceded 74 goals with 30% possession in his last 
0-6 v Arsenal 
0-5 v Chelsea & Fulham
2-5 v Palace etc etc

As said the problem wasn’t him going it was Sullivan appointing 3 abysmal managers to follow him

Or maybe the board should have backed Moyes after he won the trophy, the way they did Lopi 12 months later and seen if we really could have progressed forward. 

 

To be fair, money was spent. Kudus, Alvarez, JWP and Mav all came in. Trouble was that the money was in retrospect spent very poorly and clearly not all by Moyes. Kudus at least we made SOME money on and in retrospect it doesn't look a TERRIBLE deal now even though it seemed bad business at the time. Alvarez and JWP for one reason or another both turned out to be expensive disasters and huge wastes of money. Mav is just bang average and should be no more than a sub.
To not absolve Moyes though, JWP was clearly his choice even if none of the others were, and it was a shit, short termist one. If Stiedten got Kudus, then he's the only one to come out with even a crumb of credit.

 

 

We made a transfer profit though, Appreciate most of that was Rice, he should have been backed, big. 

[Mad Dog]

The other thing about this whole moyes myth is that he left a year after the cup win

Sp*rs sacked ange days after winning the euro Cup and giving them champions league and that never gets mentioned 

ok for those cunts but little west ham need to stay in their lane

[El Scorchio]

Moyes should have walked away with the Conference League trophy
As I get bored of explaining to outsiders he lost 20 of 38 in his second last season & conceded 74 goals with 30% possession in his last 
0-6 v Arsenal 
0-5 v Chelsea & Fulham
2-5 v Palace etc etc

As said the problem wasn’t him going it was Sullivan appointing 3 abysmal managers to follow him

Or maybe the board should have backed Moyes after he won the trophy, the way they did Lopi 12 months later and seen if we really could have progressed forward. 

 

 

To be fair, money was spent. Kudus, Alvarez, JWP and Mav all came in. Trouble was that the money was in retrospect spent very poorly and clearly not all by Moyes. Kudus at least we made SOME money on and in retrospect it doesn't look a TERRIBLE deal now even though it seemed bad business at the time. Alvarez and JWP for one reason or another both turned out to be expensive disasters and huge wastes of money. Mav is just bang average and should be no more than a sub.
To not absolve Moyes though, JWP was clearly his choice even if none of the others were, and it was a shit, short termist one. If Stiedten got Kudus, then he's the only one to come out with even a crumb of credit.

[southbankbornnbred]

Not going to re-engage with the Moyes nonsense. His final season was abysmal at times. As many have already said, we’ve since appointed three abysmal managers - and it’s all because Sullivan is a no-nothing, cheapskate grifter of an owner who is incapable of making decisions that benefit the club (rather than himself).

We will continue to appoint shit managers, with short-term visions and little idea of how to tackle the toughest league in the world, until Sullivan goes - or hands over control of footballing matters.

Moyes, Lopetegui, Potter, Nuno…we’re in this shit - and we WILL be relegated - not because of the terrible managers. But because of the terrible owner who appoints them all. 

[Council Scum]

Moyes should have walked away with the Conference League trophy
As I get bored of explaining to outsiders he lost 20 of 38 in his second last season & conceded 74 goals with 30% possession in his last 
0-6 v Arsenal 
0-5 v Chelsea & Fulham
2-5 v Palace etc etc

As said the problem wasn’t him going it was Sullivan appointing 3 abysmal managers to follow him

Or maybe the board should have backed Moyes after he won the trophy, the way they did Lopi 12 months later and seen if we really could have progressed forward. 

[Vexed]

Before Moyes left we were warned " be carful what you wish for ! ". We finished 9th that season. Up rocks Loppy and we are 13th when he gets the tin tack. Next we finish 14th under Potter. Now under Nuno we are floundering at 18th with relegation staring right at us. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

Moyes started this rot, you fucking no mark

[Fauxstralian]

Moyes should have walked away with the Conference League trophy
As I get bored of explaining to outsiders he lost 20 of 38 in his second last season & conceded 74 goals with 30% possession in his last 
0-6 v Arsenal 
0-5 v Chelsea & Fulham
2-5 v Palace etc etc

As said the problem wasn’t him going it was Sullivan appointing 3 abysmal managers to follow him

[El Scorchio]

I can see Pablo staying given his modest career so far and he could be very good in the champ. Taty I cannot imagine will want that at all at the stage in his career he is. I shouldn't think it'll be hard to get a decent price for him unless he catches a really bad dose of 'west ham' before the end of the season.

[cup of tea]

I wonder what clauses (if any) were put in the two new strikers contracts when they signed. Presumably they aren't on mega money but there must be some stipulations in their contracts WHEN we are relegated? 

I am not going to judge them yet based on what I have seen so far butneedless to say I don't think they are going to be any sort of saviours ecen in the Championship 

[El Scorchio]

Yes.  But once a fucking gain moyes leaving is NOT the fuckign problem

The problem ia thay cսnt sullivan appointing a succession of worse and worse managers

Nobody (NOBODY) wanted lopetegi, his recruitment has ruined this team, he wanted that pathetic coward Kilman, steidten in hindsight wasnt as bad, but made some bad picks, potter has come in and somehow made things worse, then nuno has come into a club at the bottom and started digging even deeper.

I don't want to hear "moyes" again im sick of it

Absolutely. it was time for Moyes to go. The rot had started under him with his crazy squad management, transfer paralysis (I'm putting that mainly down to Sullivan interfering) and negativity BUT the problem as you say was not letting him go but rather appointing dreadful managers and making dreadful decisions afterwards. It boils my blood when outsiders say it's our own fault for Moyes leaving. It's not. It's Sullivan's fault for everything he did and didn't do subsequently.

[fraser]

Before Moyes left we were warned " be carful what you wish for ! ". We finished 9th that season. Up rocks Loppy and we are 13th when he gets the tin tack. Next we finish 14th under Potter. Now under Nuno we are floundering at 18th with relegation staring right at us. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

I agree in hindsight we needed to get rid of Moyes earlier before he started the rot which has now set in. Should have appointed a good manager while we were in Europa and able to attract decent players. 

[Manuel]

Relegation seems nailed on. Cant see us turning this round.

Current 1st team players that could still be here next season:

Hermansen, Soucek, JWP, KWP, Potts, Scarles and Kilman (cant see anyone buying him).

Earthy and Kante could become useful squad members. Casey out on loan at Swansea so maybe can do a job next season.

Would be good if could keep both Magassa and Fernandes but unlikely that we manage to even keep one of them.

Summerville a funny one. Stayed with leeds when they last went down and done really well in that division. Stats are not the best for us plus alot of injuries so no guarantee someone comes in for him.

AWB, Paqueta, Bowen, Diouf and Todibo will be off.

God knows what will happen with the two new strikers. Both were aware that relegation was quite likely when they arrived. Wilson would score alot of goals in the championship if he stayed fit.

Sullivan asks Coufal to come back with his tail between his legs.

Squad will still need major investment to come up first time of asking.

 

 

No harm to shoot the breeze but it's a bit early for all this malarky, there is a lot of water to go under the bridge before August. If we are serious about at least trying to come straight back up we might not see as many of our youngsters as we might think IMO. As you say we will need to buy too, but then you also don't want players that won't be much use in the PL if we do come back. It's going to be messy. 

[Mad Dog]

Yes.  But once a fucking gain moyes leaving is NOT the fuckign problem

The problem ia thay cսnt sullivan appointing a succession of worse and worse managers

Nobody (NOBODY) wanted lopetegi, his recruitment has ruined this team, he wanted that pathetic coward Kilman, steidten in hindsight wasnt as bad, but made some bad picks, potter has come in and somehow made things worse, then nuno has come into a club at the bottom and started digging even deeper.

I don't want to hear "moyes" again im sick of it

[Mad Ferret]

Honestly, I expect us to bounce straight back.

Sullivan will invest heavily to avoid spending more than 1 season down there.

And let's be real, it's a fucking weak league.

[Lato]

Before Moyes left we were warned " be carful what you wish for ! ". We finished 9th that season. Up rocks Loppy and we are 13th when he gets the tin tack. Next we finish 14th under Potter. Now under Nuno we are floundering at 18th with relegation staring right at us. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

[dealcanvey]

Relegation seems nailed on. Cant see us turning this round.

Current 1st team players that could still be here next season:

Hermansen, Soucek, JWP, KWP, Potts, Scarles and Kilman (cant see anyone buying him).

Earthy and Kante could become useful squad members. Casey out on loan at Swansea so maybe can do a job next season.

Would be good if could keep both Magassa and Fernandes but unlikely that we manage to even keep one of them.

Summerville a funny one. Stayed with leeds when they last went down and done really well in that division. Stats are not the best for us plus alot of injuries so no guarantee someone comes in for him.

AWB, Paqueta, Bowen, Diouf and Todibo will be off.

God knows what will happen with the two new strikers. Both were aware that relegation was quite likely when they arrived. Wilson would score alot of goals in the championship if he stayed fit.

Sullivan asks Coufal to come back with his tail between his legs.

Squad will still need major investment to come up first time of asking.

[95 North - Let Yourself Go]

Been on the cards for a few years now. Broken team with little to no quality and zero leadership. Will struggle in the Championship!

[muskie]

We are shit and we are going down.

[Sir Alf]

Spot on COYI. Agree totally. And u did it in less than 3 paragraphs. ( Alf stands back in awe of such a thing) 

Please dont bore off

[Come On You Irons]

Yes the whole pre-season and early season bragging from Sullivan and Brady about "an unprecedented fourteen consecutive seasons in the Premier League" is really being exposed now for the pathetic hubris of what it is.

How many of those 14 seasons have been relegation dog fights? At least half of them. There has only been 5 top 10 finishing positions in fourteen seasons and the average finishing position in the 13 completes seasons is 11th, so bottom half. The average finishing position in the 9 complete seasons since the stadium move has also been 11th.

So much for "next level" following the move to the bowl.

[WHU(Exeter)]

I noticed the spin they put into one of their 'appeasing' club messages a couple months back, about how they had managed us to the longest consecutive spell in the Premiership. (conveniently omitting the fact that that spell would have been longer, had they not got us relegated themselves early on). 

With the relegations at Brum as well, they must be on for the record of relegating clubs from the top flight, since the introduction of the football league.

Supported for decades, so used to the hurt of relegations, but this time (and the last), even that pales, as the overriding ' downer' to all of it will still be there in David Sullivan.

[Far Cough UKunt]

https://www.hammers.news/news/nuno-espi ... ing-staff/

Posted this in the Nuno thread, which apparently explains why Nuno didn't bring his own staff in, although as you say wouldn't be surprised if Sullivan had a word as well.  In some ways yes it's nice to keep loyal servants to the club on board but not if they can't do it at the highest level.  Pottsy and Mark Robson as nice as they may be obviously aren't cutting it at first team level, certainly not under Nuno.  It goes back again to Harry and the way he made some hard decisions that were unpopular at the time, like letting Ronnie Boyce go and bringing in Jimmy Hampson.  Yes, as always with West Ham it could and should have been handled better, but you can't deny Hampson had a positive effect at the club.  Same with Bilic and Dicksy, sometimes sentimentality gets in the way and again there was a massive difference with Moyes when he had Alan Irvine next to him.  Best example ever Brian Clough and Peter Taylor.  

Bertie Mee and Don Howe.