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goose wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 11:00

Keep dreaming" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 10:49

goose wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 10:08 How exactly is he going to "pocket the cash" from player sales?
(spoiler alert - he can't)

the only way Sullivan makes any money is by selling his shares.
40 odd % of £800m is worth much more than 40 odd % of £300m.





 

And by lending money to the club with insane interest 

he cannot do that.
PSR has rules about fair market value on interest charged on shareholder loans.

plus he doesnt have the money to loan the club, and if the club went to shit his loan would too.

Keep dreaming" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 10:49

goose wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 10:08 How exactly is he going to "pocket the cash" from player sales?
(spoiler alert - he can't)

the only way Sullivan makes any money is by selling his shares.
40 odd % of £800m is worth much more than 40 odd % of £300m.




 

And by lending money to the club with insane interest 

goose wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 10:08 How exactly is he going to "pocket the cash" from player sales?
(spoiler alert - he can't)

the only way Sullivan makes any money is by selling his shares.
40 odd % of £800m is worth much more than 40 odd % of £300m.


 

Vexed wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 10:00

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 09:52 Bowen would fetch £60M after relegation. £80M if they sold him in January. Bet Sullivans getting itchy hoofs to sell now rather than when we drop..

I'd be OK with it if they promised to fuck off afterwards. I think it would be quite exciting to build a young squad under new owners in the championship that develops over a number of years and then comes up to the Premier league. It'd be a nice change to actually like the team rather than have to root for a bunch of fucking opportunist journeyman mercenary cunts who couldn't give a sad wank for the club. 

But until they fuck off I'm going to have to keep wishing and hoping for Sully's helicopter to crash into Bradys house in an enormous fucking fireball. 

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 09:04

Rossal wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 08:40 Listened to the Bobby Moore Stand last night.  Anyone know if they are in the loop well or not?  

They had a section describing our finances and basically if we go down we sound absolutely fucked financially. We've borrowed and mortgaged our selves up to the eyeballs and we still owe shit loads on transfer payments and wrote off most of our incoming payments to buy the shit that we have the last 2-3 years. 

That investment in players has provided nothing but players worth a fraction of what we bought them for. It all just sounds one big mess. 

The main guy, Gary is it?   is convinced Sullivan is happy to go down to strip the squad of most its value and then scarper. As we don't own a stadium or much in assets is the most valuable part of the club the squad. He can strip that then sell it for whatever he wants and fuck off into the sunset with his brass of a mrs. 





 

 

I don’t see the logic of wiping millions of pounds of value off the club due to relegation, then even more by selling what he can player wise seen as due to relegation he’s not going to get decent offers for most of them and decreasing the value of the club even more on the process before finally selling it for peanuts because no one will want it for more than that after all he’s done. Surely best to try and keep the value of the club at its highest. I’d have thought he’s been clinging on to get hold of the stadium before selling. Admittedly us getting relegated might help with that due to the even smaller rent costs we’ll be paying. 

However if he’s really feeling the pressure due to footballing and other reasons, maybe he will try and do that but he’s going to have to for once get real over his valuation of the club after all the damage he’s inflicted upon it and accept a far lower price than he’s been touting. 

I do not doubt the finances are fucked though. All these loans and whatnot and running the business on the never never will come home to roost. Sounds like imminently as well. 

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 09:52 Bowen would fetch £60M after relegation. £80M if they sold him in January. Bet Sullivans getting itchy hoofs to sell now rather than when we drop..

Rossal wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 08:40 Listened to the Bobby Moore Stand last night.  Anyone know if they are in the loop well or not?  

They had a section describing our finances and basically if we go down we sound absolutely fucked financially. We've borrowed and mortgaged our selves up to the eyeballs and we still owe shit loads on transfer payments and wrote off most of our incoming payments to buy the shit that we have the last 2-3 years. 

That investment in players has provided nothing but players worth a fraction of what we bought them for. It all just sounds one big mess. 

The main guy, Gary is it?   is convinced Sullivan is happy to go down to strip the squad of most its value and then scarper. As we don't own a stadium or much in assets is the most valuable part of the club the squad. He can strip that then sell it for whatever he wants and fuck off into the sunset with his brass of a mrs. 


 

Rossal wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 08:40 Listened to the Bobby Moore Stand last night.  Anyone know if they are in the loop well or not?  

They had a section describing our finances and basically if we go down we sound absolutely fucked financially. We've borrowed and mortgaged our selves up to the eyeballs and we still owe shit loads on transfer payments and wrote off most of our incoming payments to buy the shit that we have the last 2-3 years. 

That investment in players has provided nothing but players worth a fraction of what we bought them for. It all just sounds one big mess. 

The main guy, Gary is it?   is convinced Sullivan is happy to go down to strip the squad of most its value and then scarper. As we don't own a stadium or much in assets is the most valuable part of the club the squad. He can strip that then sell it for whatever he wants and fuck off into the sunset with his brass of a mrs. 




 

Mr Logic" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 07:50 Fortunately the players have more fortitude than many of the 'supporters'

Mr Logic" wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025, 07:50 Fortunately the players have more fortitude than many of the 'supporters'

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025, 22:31 Not going for DCL looking like a massive error now. 

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025, 23:20

Keep dreaming" wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025, 21:55

Mad Dog" wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025, 19:29 Keep dreaming , if that cսnt kilman is 40 and we paid similar for fernandez, bowen would be 50 easy 

Mad dog, I meant 50 was to low

 

IMO he's lost half a yard already and that only goes one way. 

Keep dreaming" wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025, 21:55

Mad Dog" wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025, 19:29 Keep dreaming , if that cսnt kilman is 40 and we paid similar for fernandez, bowen would be 50 easy 

Mad dog, I meant 50 was to low

Mad Dog" wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025, 19:29 Keep dreaming , if that cսnt kilman is 40 and we paid similar for fernandez, bowen would be 50 easy 

Beef&Tomato wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025, 17:22

Gary Strodders shank" wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025, 16:38 There seems to be.a yearning amongst some to write this season off already, cash in on our assets in January and start again afresh with a young team in the championship.

I find this not only defeatest but also extremely naive on many fronts.

Playing championship football at Upton park was one thing but we now have a 63k arena that is souless and bereft of atmosphere at the best of times and that is in the premier league.

What kind of average crowd would we expect to get in the second tier should we not hit the ground running?

Stoke or Sunderland on a Tuesday night you are probably looking at a third of the capacity with upper tiers closed.
Opposition teems will enjoy playing us with likely larger than normal away allocations to boost the figures and the sparse home support hardly raising an audible murmur.from the other side of the running track.

There is no chance of creating an intimidating atmosphere or raucous twelfth man type support as the design of the ground just doesn't allow for it and most of the old school vociferous fans have given up the ghost already.

If we go down we will become the team everyone fancies playing against at home and a novelty for visiting fans singing "you sold your soul"

We will struggle to sell on our dead wood such as Kilman 
and attract interest for the decent young players we wish to keep.

The souless and toxic atmosphere will also deter many players from signing for us.

If we go down we will stay down and possibly drop further.

We need to be getting behind the team in the next month regardless of the issues that exist and hoping we.czn string some results together to give ourselves a fighting chance.

As fans we have also become (perhaps understandably to some extent) apathetic.

How many sing chant and watch the whole 90 ?

A lot of disinterest, chat amongst ourselves and people checking their phones to see how their accumulators are doing.

We concede and people are heading to the bar or if second half for the exits 

We moan about the atmosphere and the tourists around us and yes we pay our money and take our choice of what we do of course and there are still enough who care  to raise a decent protest against the owners but overall do the majority really put a shift in at home ?

I will still turn up on a wet Tuesday night in the championship  but how many of those relative newbies who love telling everyone of their exploits on that summer night in Prague will be ?

Resilience hope and a sense of humour are and always have been the prerequisites required to be a West ham fan and all three are certainly needed right now.

We are not dead and buried yet 
 












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Agreed, plenty of games left and we are losing by the odd goal not getting thrashed like under Potter.