West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[Rossal]

"City still not been done,  Chelsea getting a slap on the wrist.  Those Fifa world cup bids which were all corrupt. "

FIFA corrupt? In other news the sun rises in the east.

Man City case is ongoing.   As is the Chelsea agents payment case.

What do these have to do with allegations that Sullivan is trousering transfer funds? Pure deflection tactics, as you know you've shown to be wrong.

 

 

you said

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Do you think other clubs would be complict in back handers, dodgy dealings and bungs on transfers? They are so closely monitored, nobody wants to be found out and whacked

with points deductions and other sanctions" So i gave you examples where it happened. Theres also cases in Spain, Italy etc...... But Sullivan is whiter than white, as his private life and previous dealings confirm.

[cup of tea]

On the plus side, looking at the league 1 table, we'll likely be playing 3 of the following home and away next season 

Cardiff 
Lincoln
Bradford 
Stockport 
Huddersfield 
Bolton 
Stevenage 
Luton

Whats not to like? Stevenage at home in front of 20k and away at Lincoln with a 800 away capacity   

[Westside]

"City still not been done,  Chelsea getting a slap on the wrist.  Those Fifa world cup bids which were all corrupt. "

FIFA corrupt? In other news the sun rises in the east.

Man City case is ongoing.   As is the Chelsea agents payment case.

What do these have to do with allegations that Sullivan is trousering transfer funds? Pure deflection tactics, as you know you've shown to be wrong.

[Sir Alf]

Our chances are very low. We need players of beyter quality in all areas of the pitch and fast.  Paying the wedge and first week of Jan. sullivan doing that?  So on second thoughts, no fvcking chance we survive

[southbankbornnbred]

This squad, and currently this club (the way it is run etc), is just not good enough for the Premier League - let’s not kid ourselves.

After the “tough” set of fixtures, we probably needed 4 to 6 points out of Fulham and Brighton. We got 1 point.

We’re just very poor right now. We’re now halfway through the season and we’re on course for 28 points.

We might need the best January transfer window of all time to stay up. Realistically, what are our chances?

 

[goose]

Share the links then Rossal.
I’m assuming these reports accuse Sullivan of stealing money from the club?

as Westside said, latest set of accounts are due soon. They will tell a very depressing story, tempered slightly by the sale of the ladies team (well half of it anyway).

Go find them yourself, they took me 30 seconds to type in google and find.   

They show tonnes of analysis and opinions. It's not great reading on the whole though. 

Sulllivan has shown in his personal life what a sleaze and wrongen he can be,  why do you think he would conduct his business dealings 100% clean? It's very naive IMO. 


Finally, can anyone answer what happened with the Boleyn sale yet?

So opinions and analysis about Sullivan stealing money? I very much doubt that.

He might well be a sleaze and an awful person, but that doesn’t mean he’s stolen money from player transfers. He hasn’t and there’s zero proof of that ever happening. Accounting policy, electronic transactions and the intense scrutiny means it’s impossible.

[Rossal]

Do you think other clubs would be complict in back handers, dodgy dealings and bungs on transfers? They are so closely monitored, nobody wants to be found out and whacked

with points deductions and other sanctions. We are long past vintage Redkanpp bungs scenario.. Don't forget when we sold Mascherano to the bin dippers, they grassed us up, as they thought there was something wrong

with his 3rd party ownership status in his contract with us, which led to all the legal cases against us.

Course there's loads of shit going on, how many times do agents mainuplate transfers.   Chelsea selling everyone to Strasborg then back again,   the amount of shit we only buy because its one of his agent mates. 

City still not been done,  Chelsea getting a slap on the wrist.  Those Fifa world cup bids which were all corrupt. 

[Rossal]

Share the links then Rossal.
I’m assuming these reports accuse Sullivan of stealing money from the club?

as Westside said, latest set of accounts are due soon. They will tell a very depressing story, tempered slightly by the sale of the ladies team (well half of it anyway).

Go find them yourself, they took me 30 seconds to type in google and find.   

They show tonnes of analysis and opinions. It's not great reading on the whole though. 

Sulllivan has shown in his personal life what a sleaze and wrongen he can be,  why do you think he would conduct his business dealings 100% clean? It's very naive IMO. 


Finally, can anyone answer what happened with the Boleyn sale yet?

[Massive Attack]

I was at the Palace match when we got back to 2-2, and the floodlights went out. That was a gambling thing, and I reckon some of these VAR decisions are the same. Look at the League Cup draw for the quarter finals: Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Newcastle all played lesser teams. Plenty of corruption in the Premier League. 

Just ask Paqueta*.





*Allegedly!

[goose]

You don’t think the FA or the special HMRC department set up to deal with football clubs has thought of looking at that?

All agents and intermediaries fees are submitted to the FA and audited. The set up you described below would be rumbled in minutes.

[Westham67]

I was at the Palace match when we got back to 2-2, and the floodlights went out. That was a gambling thing, and I reckon some of these VAR decisions are the same. Look at the League Cup draw for the quarter finals: Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Newcastle all played lesser teams. Plenty of corruption in the Premier League. 

[stubbo-admin]

Intermediaries get payments perfectly legitimately. Sullivan could totally legitimately insert himself as a consultant to an intermediary in a transfer deal via a registered Ltd Co. 

We know his favoured agents are Salthouse and Silkman....you'd want to look at payments they make to third parties to see if it was really happening or not. 

I'm just saying what has been 'alledged' previously, and why the focus on favoured agents could work in his favour.

Obviously we know his primary method of extracting cashflow from the Club to himself personally has been through interest-bearing loans. 

[Far Cough UKunt]

The game is awash with money, to say there is no dodgy deals going on is extremely naive.

But carry on believing everything is above board.

[Westside]

Do you think other clubs would be complict in back handers, dodgy dealings and bungs on transfers? They are so closely monitored, nobody wants to be found out and whacked

with points deductions and other sanctions. We are long past vintage Redkanpp bungs scenario.. Don't forget when we sold Mascherano to the bin dippers, they grassed us up, as they thought there was something wrong

with his 3rd party ownership status in his contract with us, which led to all the legal cases against us.

[goose]

Make a good point there. Of that £40M sale I think just £15M went towards 'conversion' costs of the Shithole. Add that to the leeching interest rate amongst other factors and it is clear they do take a pretty penny out of our Club.

 

He may well have trousered money from the Upton Park sale, difficult to prove. The proceeds went into the club. However, I've asked the specific questuion of how he is/will trouser money on player sales in the future which nobody has answered.

The suggestion has always been he would do it through a 'finders fee' paid to him via a favoured third party/intermediary, with the fee to him built into the intermediaries fee.

E.g. the Club insert a favoured agent into the deal for a sale, the agent gets a chunk of the cash (say 5m) as opposed to that amount going to the Club, and them that agent as a separate transaction pays Sullivan a consultancy fee for bringing them the deal.

This can work in both directions (buying and selling) as long as the agent on the WHU side is in league with Sullivan.

The modern day equivalent of the brown paper bag.

Do you suppose this is done in cash?

[stubbo-admin]

He has trousered money, done it with the sale of Upton Park.  

Make a good point there. Of that £40M sale I think just £15M went towards 'conversion' costs of the Shithole. Add that to the leeching interest rate amongst other factors and it is clear they do take a pretty penny out of our Club.

 

He may well have trousered money from the Upton Park sale, difficult to prove. The proceeds went into the club. However, I've asked the specific questuion of how he is/will trouser money on player sales in the future which nobody has answered.

The suggestion has always been he would do it through a 'finders fee' paid to him via a favoured third party/intermediary, with the fee to him built into the intermediaries fee.

E.g. the Club insert a favoured agent into the deal for a sale, the agent gets a chunk of the cash (say 5m) as opposed to that amount going to the Club, and them that agent as a separate transaction pays Sullivan a consultancy fee for bringing them the deal.

This can work in both directions (buying and selling) as long as the agent on the WHU side is in league with Sullivan.

The modern day equivalent of the brown paper bag.

[cup of tea]

Deloitte used to have a cracking Xmas party every year in a marquee in Embankment gardens in the 90s when I worked for them.

Free bar and food.

That is all

[Westside]

" you are pissing in the wind if you think all our accounts are legit". 

I suggest you contact the club auditors, Deloittes, with your concerns. Or repeat that opinion, in the public domain under your own name and see what the reactions of Deloittes are.

Just do some research. There has been two reports posted in the past few weeks of our accounts which are interesting. 


You can then research Delliottes and see theyve been investigated and had some scandals this year. 

 

 

You think Deloittes, an accounting firm with a UK turnover, just south of £6 billion, is going to sell its soul to the devil, for a measly combined £115k annual audit and consultancy fee that it gest from West Ham?

Especially with the scrutiny football accounts get now with PSR and a dedicated HMRC football tax unit? You don't think that unit gets a breakdown

of transfer payments in one club and checks to the sale proceeds in the selling club?What next? The world is flat, space doesn't exist?

[goose]

Share the links then Rossal.
I’m assuming these reports accuse Sullivan of stealing money from the club?

as Westside said, latest set of accounts are due soon. They will tell a very depressing story, tempered slightly by the sale of the ladies team (well half of it anyway).

[Rossal]

" you are pissing in the wind if you think all our accounts are legit". 

I suggest you contact the club auditors, Deloittes, with your concerns. Or repeat that opinion, in the public domain under your own name and see what the reactions of Deloittes are.

Just do some research. There has been two reports posted in the past few weeks of our accounts which are interesting. 


You can then research Delliottes and see theyve been investigated and had some scandals this year. 

[Westside]

" you are pissing in the wind if you think all our accounts are legit". 

I suggest you contact the club auditors, Deloittes, with your concerns. Or repeat that opinion, in the public domain under your own name and see what the reactions of Deloittes are.

[Massive Attack]

Yeah that was others discussing it, I just remember those leeching wankers eager on selling the place before finding out they got £40M which stank like fuck as we then moved in to a rented high capacity stadium on peppercorn rent of about £2.5M a year at the time we moved in.

[Keep dreaming]

The sale of Upton park went to pey shareholders loans and to secure the loan of the shitbowl.

Nothing was pent into players...

And this highlights Sullivan's tenure. Small pocket Scrooge fit for championship or less

[Westside]

 

To trouser the profit on player sales, via interest on loans, he would have to lend the club an insane amount of money. If he wanted to take out say £50 million a year in interest, he'd have to lend the club a £ billion first, at 5% annually. Doubt he has the resources or inclination to do that.

He has trousered money, done it with the sale of Upton Park.  

Make a good point there. Of that £40M sale I think just £15M went towards 'conversion' costs of the Shithole. Add that to the leeching interest rate amongst other factors and it is clear they do take a pretty penny out of our Club.

 

 

He may well have trousered money from the Upton Park sale, difficult to prove. The proceeds went into the club. However, I've asked the specific questuion of how he is/will trouser money on player sales in the future which nobody has answered.

[Keep dreaming]

Not sure how reliable AI is, but this is what I got from this simple answer:

how much money does David Sullivan make per year from West Ham United FC, and how much money has he as an owner put into the club from his own wealth

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David Sullivan does not take a salary or receive dividends from West Ham United FC. His investment in the club has primarily been through shareholder loans and share purchases, with a net investment estimated at around £15 million over a 15-year period as of May 2025. 

Owners David Sullivan and the late David Gold have never been paid a salary or dividend from West Ham United. However, they did collect significant interest payments on the loans they provided to the club, totaling approximately £23.3 million over the years. 

Share Purchases: Sullivan has paid a net of approximately £26.85 million through share purchases.Loans: The owners provided shareholder loans, which at one point reached £49.2 million by the end of the 2013/14 season.
 Net Investment: Accounting for money put in (loans and shares) and money taken out (interest payments), Sullivan's total net investment is estimated to be around £15 million. 
 This is considered a relatively low investment compared to other Premier League owners. The current ownership structure is complex, with Daniel Kretinsky acquiring a 27% stake in 2021, which injected an additional £125 million of equity used to invest in the playing squad and repay the owners' loans.